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May 29, 2009
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#701

I'm no developer but the technical implementation seems trivial.

 

Famous last words.

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Furthermore, I suspect, sociologically and anthropologically so, that this very issue, control, is what is beneath most people's need to cheat in chess.

Not the money, or the fame or the ratings points. 

Just the sheer control it gives them over something in life.   Life is so fraught with friggin unknowns, if we just click that switch, we KNOW something we did not know before.  Viola!

All this talk of truth finding is a major tell.   Like Lance doing supplement ads and Sammy Sosa head, arms and personality changes.

 

All the other results achieved are merely perks.

What are you, a psychology major?

OK Mr. Freud, then why would someone cheat in Monopoly?

Eastendboy
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May 29, 2009
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#703

It's little more than a change in rules and yet the resistance to it seems very strong.

I really don't think this change in rules is going to derail the Live chess upgrade or divert the development team from bugfixes but I might be wrong.

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#704

I thought you were proposing a new rating group - where Advanced were tracked separately.

Need help files to educate the users, need testing, need to address rated tournaments of this type, need a new UI so people don't accidentally go into an advanced game when they don't want to, probably need a new item in preferences so users can say "I'm open for matches but not advanced" and vice versa, I think there's probably a lot of stuff, plus all the testing.

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May 29, 2009
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#705

I'll concede that if the technical changes were going to derail the Live Chess upgrade then it shouldn't be implemented but if that's the extent of the objection I think it's a flimsy one. Wink

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#706

Well obviously all new features should never be considered in isolation when the development team is small.

But in addition to that, I still am comfortable putting my faith in Erik and his team. Remember, this is their day job. For us, we're just typing here in the forums. They understand the issues more than we ever will.

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May 29, 2009
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#707
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I think the idea of a separate category here for Advanced Chess is a good idea.  It may not change what current cheaters are doing but new members to the site may opt for this style of play openly and thus not become cheaters in live and online chess.

Great point.

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#708

@Karl_ I love baseball, and I love watching baseball. One thing hasn't changed, which is the pitcher-batter dual. How does the pitcher want to pitch the guy? Where does the catcher set up? Did the pitcher hit his spot? What happened the previous at bat?

If you're interested in each pitch, then the game is incredibly interesting, and you don't have to wait for a hit-and-run to be happy.

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May 29, 2009
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Karl_ wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

@Karl_ I love baseball, and I love watching baseball. One thing hasn't changed, which is the pitcher-batter dual. How does the pitcher want to pitch the guy? Where does the catcher set up? Did the pitcher hit his spot? What happened the previous at bat?

If you're interested in each pitch, then the game is incredibly interesting, and you don't have to wait for a hit-and-run to be happy.

It's not just that.  And I do enjoy going to the occasional game.  Just not a good TV sport, IMO.  And I used to really respect the Umps as to the consistency of their calls.  Now it seems the strike zone changes as to the mood of the ump.  Or maybe for other reasons?  Just too much down time between action for my taste.  Each pitch is a wait, each batter change a wait, and don't get me started on pitcher changes or when teams change from batting to hitting.  It's almost as boring as World Cup soccer to me in where there is too much emphasis on D as every one is afraid of losing instead of trying to win.  But it is the most popular sport in the world right now.  So to each his own I guess.

I completely agree w/ Ozzie (big surprise, right? :-) ), but I'll say this. If you are interested in the pitcher/batter duel, its actually better on TV, where you can see where the pitch goes. As much as I love going to a game, its impossible to really tell what are balls and strikes when you are there.

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#710

And here I was thinking that you guys don't read this forum at all... :-)

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#711

This is a busy thread nearly eighty points since my post of yesterday and all of interest (baseball yawn aside). Thanks to TheGrobe for acknowleding my post though perhaps Mr TheGrobe you are missing the bigger picture.

Thank You

John Boy

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#712

I wonder if they are on shifts.

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#713
richie_and_oprah wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

What are you, a psychology major?

OK Mr. Freud, then why would someone cheat in Monopoly?

Sociology minor.

To win.

So they cheat in Monopoly to win but they cheat at chess to get more control? Have you heard of Occam's Razor?

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#714

I don't blame the players as a whole.

 

I do blame Clemens and A-Rod, but mostly because I don't like them.

 

I wonder how the 2013 HOF voting will look. It's getting more and more crowded.

Bonds. Clemens. Sosa.

Piazza.

Schilling.

Biggio.

 

 

The early litmus testing (Mark McGwire) reveals 25% voting support.

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#715

So they cheat because of their own insecurities, be it a perceived lack of control or a desire to win.

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#716

Not that I own one, but the Corvette is the best sports-car-value-dollar that money can buy.

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#717

I think the S2000 is in A-stock and the Corvette is one higher, so it was probably pilot error.

In other words, you dusted the driver, not the car.
In other words, switch the cars, you still win.

EDIT: You love to edit, doncha!

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May 29, 2009
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#718
well id dust the pair of you on my bike :-)
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#719

Late to pay your taxes, eh?

J_Piper
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May 29, 2009
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#720
richie_and_oprah wrote:

Yes.

Dude, why did OJ kill?  Who knows.  He knows. 

 

There are thousands of reasons why someone mught cheat at anything.  It is a stupid defense to say "Why would he do it? ...therefore he did not do it."

 

Just because you cannot think of a reason why or because I cannot give you your exact reason why you are arguing?

 

People cheat for their own friggin reasons. For the same reasons they buy Corvettes, lie about fish they never caught, the size of their genitals,..... whatever their reasons.

Because they are self absorbed and think they need it to feel better, that is why.

 Cheating equates to stealing. 

I am not a religious man, but I respect morality.

Cheating does more hurt to an individual than it does to the person who is affected by it.

There is one of the greatest sayings in life, "What goes around comes around."

A person who cheats and is caught right after doing it before it blows up even worse is fortunate.

The person who cheats and gets away with it for a long period, multiplies the consequence.

Therefore, the moral of the story is when you do something unkosher, settle it before it gets out of hand.

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