Draw by timeout vs insufficient material?

 

Yes. Though, if it was me, unless it was super obvious, I would put a delay clock on and have the player prove their claim that way. Of course, I only run events with delay/increment so I don't have to make that kind of ruling.

I've seen ugly IRL thefts through this rule; your opponent has a win when you're out of time whenever the most absurd helpmate is available to him.

 

 

As for me, this rule is logical because you can't win without having at least a pawn!!!

However if one player has just a K & light square B, and the other player has just a K & dark square B, it is still possible for either player to WIN!  Believe it or not.  Therefore in that scenario, the game should end awarding a victory to the player who still has time left.

 

For FIDE it would, here it would be a draw.

That is semi-correct, however the FIDE rule is incorrect, and should be changed.  In fact, the FIDE rule regarding this grants substantial leeway for an arbiter to willy nilly determine that the game is drawn, regardless of what material sits on the board.  The determination can be made based upon an arbiter's interpretation of moves... such that the arbiter finds that the player with more time isn't trying hard enough to win.

Same happened to me I have a king vs rock and king. And my oponent couln´t mate me. It was an unfare draw. I noticed it is a new rule because I have played against oponents that use the estrategy of bear a position taking advantage of the time in their favor, it is totally legal, when your time is up you should loss even your position was bad or your material was insuficient.

 

That's not how it works in official play. 

Note that with knight vs pawn endgames, drawish is an illusion in positions like this:

Note that this is not a "help-mate". This is a forced mate in 7 and an important endgame to know.

Crazy this happened to me once in an OTB tournament and I had a king and a pawn vs his bishop and knight. It was a game 30 with 5 delay. He was under 5 seconds, playing on his delay and when he took my pawn his clock ran out which means the move hadn’t been completed before his clock ran out. I claimed a win because of his clock but had he completed his move and run out of time on any subsequent move, then it would have been a draw because I only had a king left. I’m happy I won because it was going to be a lost position (bishop and knight checkmate is so hard, I’ve learned it but I’ve forgotten a lot of it and have never had to ever do it in a real game!) had he officially taken my pawn. Talk about 1 second too late!

I’m curious, thriller fan, that even though two nights and king cannot force checkmate, it technically is sufficient mating material because chess suicide is possible.

My OTB tournaments always have an increment or delay making the loss on time only the fault of the players. But online with no increment or delay, or analog clocks, would you be able to make less than 50 moves (as per the 50 move rule) to run out your opponents clock and win on time with two knight? Only because chess suicide is possible?

At least I wouldn’t have to worry about this is a real tournament as there is always a delay or increment on digital clocks. I tend to not like the tournaments here that have no extra time per move

One amendment to the game example I described earlier, I read that checkmate ends the game, not the pressing of the clock, so I’m curious if him taking my pawn off the board right before the clock ran out counts as captured? Maybe not because it doesn’t end the game like checkmate. And then he ran out of time.

 

I've always been sure that there are 2 ways to win... by checkmate or opponent times out.  for the love of chess seriously?  do you know how many times a day somebody loses the game with a completely winning position because of the clock... if it's for the love of chess maybe make it where it's at least possible to play a friend without a clock and have take backs because people should be able to agree to a take back especially in an unrated game... for the love of chess there should be no clock, if that's what you want to go by you don't even give the option to play that way.  I watch a lot of youtube chess games eric rosen and gotham chess... it smacks of capitalism always playing 3 min games so you can post a bunch of short videos and make some money quantity over quality for the love of chess wow.

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this happened to me i had K+R v K and i was down on time so it was a draw

I had a queen and rook and when they ran out of time I didnt win but it was a draw..

Actually, this is included in FIDE's chess rules. Article 6, 6.9

I am a slow player. Can figure just about anything if I have time. 

Once I decided to play a fast game as an experiment. Was playing a master but I had the  better game. 

Soon a rook and pawn and king  vs a rook and king came about where I had a "winning advantage"  I offered a draw and he refused.   

After a minute later I lost on  time.  Lesson learned---fast chess is not for me!

Since the thread was resurrected the differences in the time-out rule may as well be revisited.

1) FIDE - if you run out of time and there is any legal way for the opponent to deliver a checkmate (opponent's best moves versus your worst moves) then running out of time is a loss.  If there is no legal way for the opponent to checkmate you then it is a draw. (White Ke1, Pa4, Pc4, Pf4, Ph4 vs Black Ke8, Pa5, Pc5, Pf5, Ph5 is a draw because there is no legal way to mate).

2) US Chess (rebranded from USCF) - Almost the same as FIDE with an exception where the unflagged player has either K+B or K+N or K+2NwithNoPawnsOnTheBoard.  In those exception cases it is only a loss when the unflagged player can force a mate.

3) Chess.com - The position is ignored.  If your opponent has at least a Pawn or a Rook or a Queen or two Bishops or a Bishop and Knight then it is a loss.  Maybe also if the opponent has two Knights but I haven't checked on that.  Thus the position cited in the FIDE example would be a loss when flagging even though there is no legal way to deliver a checkmate.