Dulce et Decorum Est

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paul211 wrote:
artfizz wrote:

The last lines of Wilfred Owen's anti-war poem (http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html) are instructive ...

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest  
To children ardent for some desperate glory,  
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est  
Pro patria mori.

and may bring a sense of perpective to the wrangling about nation-based chess groups.


 You die for for country as you believe in it's freedom.


Was it Patton whoi said you should let the other barsteward die for HIS country?

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All purpose adjective.

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artfizz wrote:
smileative wrote:

just like to point out that the union jack is still part of the Hawaiian state flag - though don't ask me for an explanation


Just like to point out that the union flag is flown over land whereas the union jack is flown on ships (Union_Flag) - but don't ask me what happens when a ship is being transported overland.


The flagpole/mast gets snapped off as it passes under the first bridge, so it becomes a road traffic incident.

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paul211 wrote:

Art, just out of curiosity, you people use a lot, as needed as well as in many sentences trhe word bloody.

What is the meaning of it so I can understand as a French person.

I have been to England for 3 weeks years ago and the use of the word bloody still does not register in it's use in the language.

Can you expand and  try to tell us the use of the word?

When? Why? And why is it used so often?

Trying to avoid swearing??


It emphasises the following word, a bit like putting it in bold print or capital letters.

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It is a very mild swear word, found acceptable in most company and used more frequently by the higher classes. The lower classes find other words to use in it's place as a means of punctuating their sentences and adding linguistic colour.

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jonnyjupiter wrote:

It is a very mild swear word, found acceptable in most company and used more frequently by the higher classes. The lower classes find other words to use in it's place as a means of punctuating their sentences and adding linguistic colour.


Every generation feels it necessary to push back the frontiers of swearing ...

1950’s

blinking and blooming

1960’s

bloody

1970’s

4-letter words

thereby making extra work for the profanity filter in LiveChess.

Blistering barnacles!

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artfizz wrote:
jonnyjupiter wrote:

It is a very mild swear word, found acceptable in most company and used more frequently by the higher classes. The lower classes find other words to use in it's place as a means of punctuating their sentences and adding linguistic colour.


Every generation feels it necessary to push back the frontiers of swearing ...

1950’s

blinking and blooming

1960’s

bloody

1970’s

4-letter words

thereby making extra work for the profanity filter in LiveChess.

Blistering barnacles!


Gosh!

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trysts wrote:

What I am saying, is that the flag is an embarrassment today. To think that it contains some weird symbolism, that has any meaning, other than murder and theft, is a neglect of our world since WWII, or that inspiring event when the Berlin wall came down. B.S. The flag is a copyrighted piece of propaganda that Ken Burns wipes his idiot tears with...


This is very confusing.  Worse, even, than the circular argument you've already put forward.  You begin by saying that the flag has no meaning, then conclude by saying the flag does, in fact, have meaning:  "murder and theft".

So, the flag has meaning to you, after all.

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I likes the white flag - life short enough as it is Smile

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smileative wrote:

I likes the white flag - life short enough as it is


Lucky the Channel Islanders didn't feel that way 70 years ago or you'd be drinking Jaegermeister and eating sauerkraut about now.

*Shudder*

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bigpoison wrote:
trysts wrote:

What I am saying, is that the flag is an embarrassment today. To think that it contains some weird symbolism, that has any meaning, other than murder and theft, is a neglect of our world since WWII, or that inspiring event when the Berlin wall came down. B.S. The flag is a copyrighted piece of propaganda that Ken Burns wipes his idiot tears with...


This is very confusing.  Worse, even, than the circular argument you've already put forward.  You begin by saying that the flag has no meaning, then conclude by saying the flag does, in fact, have meaning:  "murder and theft".

So, the flag has meaning to you, after all.


"Meaningless", can be thought of pejoratively as 'lacking value'.

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I like sauerkraut and I can speak German. It wouldn't have been so bad. Maybe.

I can only say the American Flag has tremendous meaning to me. It represents America so, I attach my faith in my nation (dwindling) and my faith in american culture to it. The American flag represents Football on sundays and burgers on the grill in the summer, terrible movies with your girlfriend and a day spent fishing with your father.

Beyond that, the government of america has so corrupted itself and removed itself from American traditions and values I can no longer say the American flag represents, true, responsible, responsive democracy with a straight face. Democracy sure, effective and efficient democracy no.

And murder is a strong and somewhat misleading word for whats going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Tribalism, nationalism, patriotism: difficult to escape from.

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artfizz wrote:

Tribalism, nationalism, patriotism: difficult to escape from.


It's really impressive how your comments contain so many reference links, artfizz. It's like Chess.com scholarship. Nice.

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artfizz wrote:

Tribalism, nationalism, patriotism: difficult to escape from.


trysts wrote: It's really impressive how your comments contain so many reference links, artfizz. It's like Chess.com scholarship. Nice.


'The longest chain begins with a single link'. Some people come onto this site to play chess! Can you believe that?

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artfizz wrote:
artfizz wrote:

Tribalism, nationalism, patriotism: difficult to escape from.


trysts wrote: It's really impressive how your comments contain so many reference links, artfizz. It's like Chess.com scholarship. Nice.


'The longest chain begins with a single link'. Some people come onto this site to play chess! Can you believe that?


"Of the 15,000 people treated there‥, nearly all smoked marijuana. Which proves nothing. Except that the longest journey begins with a single step."

LaughingThat is hilarious!

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actually, prawn, the Channel Islands were occupied by the Nazis, and quite a few islanders were sent to their deaths in concentration camps - also the garrison there didn't surrender until the day after what is commonly called VE day - while I'm at it, I'd like to remind you that the Channel Islands were on the winning side at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, and that the Queen of England is only recognised as our titular head in her capacity as the Duke of Normandy Smile

I, personally, has never shirked a fight and have many broken bones as testimony, but believe the white flag to be the only one I'd follow - like Churchill said "more jaw jaw, and less war war" Smile

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flags pretty much rule.  love em or hate em. 

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ilikeflags wrote:

flags pretty much rule.  love em or hate em. 


They are a fine point to rally around.

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i'm not calling for allegiance, but it's pretty hard to find someone who ignores flags.  they bring emotions out of almost everyone.