Evidently I violated the Good Sportsmanship policy for punishing those who refuse to resign. - Chess Forums - Page 67

LeeEuler

Oct 28, 2023

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#1321

22289d wrote:

LeeEuler wrote:

Great game from GM Wesley So against an IM the other day. A really close match up. Game link: https://www.chess.com/game/live/91899057953?username=gmwso

lol

Is there some context here? Or black is just following what he was taught and never resign?

I believe it was from Titled Tuesday but not positive.

Maybe the IM was hoping a world top 10 would forget how to mate KQR vs. lone K in a game with increment?

nicolas0du

Oct 29, 2023

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#1322

lfPatriotGames a écrit :

nicolas0du wrote:

22289d a écrit :

Check!

You promote the knights, then take them back to the first rank?

There is an old saying "you are what you do". How true that saying is can be debated, but many people identify with what they do. It defines them, it's what they want to be known for.

Most people play chess for recreation and in doing so, like most recreations, want to improve. When someone deliberately wastes his own time, and in doing so, hopefully wastes the time of others, it's insight to who they want to be, how they want to be known.

In many of the chess games we play we have to decide whether to play on, or resign. We decide what to do. Because what we do is who we are. My guess is that in most of the games shown here, the opponent got a little bit better, and he got a little bit worse.

I too play chess just for fun... better say I came here to play for fun, after a 20 years break of chess because I was obsessed by performance 😊

Now I'm trying to cool down again and I prefer watching pro games (like other likes to watch socker game or basketball) but playing here is addictive (and not good sadly) so I'm still here (and it's no better anywhere else online). Somewhere I think that the neverResigns are addicted who can't think their actions through anymore.

What's the sadest is that nobody goes out of a noResign game happy. Any outcome's bad: The obvious winner wasted time playing obvious moves mechanicaly while the loser wasted his time with desperate moves, or in the case of something happens, can be the winning camp played a blunder by boredness, got disconnected , has an IRL problem (happens to me a lot), and loses or draws, then both camp gor bitter because who would be proud of such a win or draw !

dunklebucket

Oct 29, 2023

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#1323

>Is annoyed at people for wasting their time.

>Wastes more time.

Good luck with that bro.

Boone2023

Oct 29, 2023

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#1324

22289d wrote:

When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.

Dear 22289d

We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.

We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!

Thank you,Chess.com Supportsupport@chess.com

I hope to never play against someone like you.

Every game of chess is an opportunity to learn, teach, and grow as a human being. If you are going to punish someone because they are not up to your skill and ability, then you are not helping that person become better at the game of chess.

If you are so frustrated with someone continuing to play a "hopelessly lost position", then you could simply 1) press the eject button and bailout of the game, or 2) enter chat mode and inform your opponent that there is no way for them to win.

If you go through life punishing others for what you perceive as a shortcoming of some sort, then my money is on the karma that will eventually catch up with you.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Oct 29, 2023

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#1325

If you ever have 2 pawns left in a winning endgame, make sure to promote them to a knight and bishop (provided they can't be immediately forked next move) and checkmate them that way!

TimothyScottPuente

Oct 29, 2023

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#1326

22289d wrote:

When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.

Dear 22289d

We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.

We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!

Thank you,Chess.com Supportsupport@chess.com

Why should you ask one to resign in lieu of the other?

TimothyScottPuente

jfri57

Oct 29, 2023

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#1327

22289d wrote:

magipi wrote:

Your unsportsmanlike behavior aside, I think the warning is probably not for those instances, but instead for games like this:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/58354239681?username=22289d

oh wow, that's not allowed? just quickly resigning for seemingly no reason.

i actually did do that a couple times the other day. not something i normally do.

I also have experienced player resigning after a couple of moves. But that was not considered a draw but a win for me

bald55

Oct 29, 2023

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#1328

Are you saying you do this

carmela_mpc

Oct 29, 2023

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#1329

https://www.chess.com/legal/community

You could check out the community guidelines if you'd like to make sure you're following chess.com policy. I guess I'd also add that if you have an issue with your opponents stalling or wasting your time you have the option to report them.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Oct 29, 2023

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#1330

All players have the right to use their time alloted to either resign, play on, or take however much of their remaining time to make the moves. There's no way to know whether the stalling is deliberate or something came up and they forgot about the game and they just disconnected and didn't realize it was there move. Sometimes the clock can tick down to 0 for your opponent, as viewed from your screen, which means you are the one who really disconnected. Simply scrolling down or dragging the game window can cause this from my experience. It's possible many of them don't even know they are stalling.

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1331

LeeEuler wrote:

22289d wrote:

LeeEuler wrote:

Great game from GM Wesley So against an IM the other day. A really close match up. Game link: https://www.chess.com/game/live/91899057953?username=gmwso

lol

Is there some context here? Or black is just following what he was taught and never resign?

I believe it was from Titled Tuesday but not positive.

Maybe the IM was hoping a world top 10 would forget how to mate KQR vs. lone K in a game with increment?

That's awesome. He is doing the exact same thing, just messing with that guy.

Checkmate for all the people telling me what a bad person and I am for doing it. Wesley So does it too hahahahah

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1332

dunklebucket wrote:

>Is annoyed at people for wasting their time.

>Wastes more time.

Good luck with that bro.

As I have explained numerous times, to numerous people: messing with people is fun. Watch that game from Wesley So. He's having fun avoiding stalemate and promoting all of that stuff and toying with the king.

Maybe that wouldn't be fun to you, but it's fun to me. So it's not a waste of time.

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1333

Boone2023 wrote:

22289d wrote:

When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.

Dear 22289d

We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.

We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!

Thank you,Chess.com Supportsupport@chess.com

I hope to never play against someone like you.

Every game of chess is an opportunity to learn, teach, and grow as a human being. If you are going to punish someone because they are not up to your skill and ability, then you are not helping that person become better at the game of chess.

If you are so frustrated with someone continuing to play a "hopelessly lost position", then you could simply 1) press the eject button and bailout of the game, or 2) enter chat mode and inform your opponent that there is no way for them to win.

If you go through life punishing others for what you perceive as a shortcoming of some sort, then my money is on the karma that will eventually catch up with you.

Being punished for our mistakes is a crucial part of learning, teaching and growing.

Let me save you the effort:

"But they're not making a mistake"

You said punishing people is no way to go through life. That is what I was addressing. That is all I was addressing. Any teacher, parent or police officer can tell you the importance of punishment.

lfPatriotGames

Oct 29, 2023

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#1334

22289d wrote:

Boone2023 wrote:

22289d wrote:

When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.

Dear 22289d

We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.

We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!

Thank you,Chess.com Supportsupport@chess.com

I hope to never play against someone like you.

Every game of chess is an opportunity to learn, teach, and grow as a human being. If you are going to punish someone because they are not up to your skill and ability, then you are not helping that person become better at the game of chess.

If you are so frustrated with someone continuing to play a "hopelessly lost position", then you could simply 1) press the eject button and bailout of the game, or 2) enter chat mode and inform your opponent that there is no way for them to win.

If you go through life punishing others for what you perceive as a shortcoming of some sort, then my money is on the karma that will eventually catch up with you.

Being punished for our mistakes is a crucial part of learning, teaching and growing.

Let me save you the effort:

"But they're not making a mistake"

You said punishing people is no way to go through life. That is what I was addressing. That is all I was addressing. Any teacher, parent or police officer can tell you the importance of punishment.

That is a terrible analogy. A game of chess is between equals. It's not the job of either to "punish" anyone. Any punishment is to be carried out by a rules agency of some sort. An arbitrator. The examples of teacher, parent, or police officer are not between equals. In all your examples one party is empowered to punish, while the other is not.

You remind me of someone I saw just three days ago. It was a typical afternoon rush hour. While merging on the freeway someone decided they didn't want to wait their turn. So they sped past all the waiting cars and decided they should merge ahead of everyone else and tried to force their way in. Which did eventually work. But the impatient driver who forced his way in wasn't happy. Because a couple cars either accidentally or intentionally didn't let him in. So he decided he should punish the person who didn't let him in by getting ahead of him and brake checking him. To teach him a lesson.

Which caught the attention of the true arbitrator (and it wasn't either driver). It true arbitrator, the one who is actually qualified to determine what punishment should be, was a friendly peace officer who happened to also be stuck in traffic.

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1335

lfPatriotGames wrote:

22289d wrote:

Boone2023 wrote:

22289d wrote:

When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.

Dear 22289d

We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.

We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!

Thank you,Chess.com Supportsupport@chess.com

I hope to never play against someone like you.

Every game of chess is an opportunity to learn, teach, and grow as a human being. If you are going to punish someone because they are not up to your skill and ability, then you are not helping that person become better at the game of chess.

If you are so frustrated with someone continuing to play a "hopelessly lost position", then you could simply 1) press the eject button and bailout of the game, or 2) enter chat mode and inform your opponent that there is no way for them to win.

If you go through life punishing others for what you perceive as a shortcoming of some sort, then my money is on the karma that will eventually catch up with you.

Being punished for our mistakes is a crucial part of learning, teaching and growing.

Let me save you the effort:

"But they're not making a mistake"

You said punishing people is no way to go through life. That is what I was addressing. That is all I was addressing. Any teacher, parent or police officer can tell you the importance of punishment.

That is a terrible analogy. A game of chess is between equals. It's not the job of either to "punish" anyone. Any punishment is to be carried out by a rules agency of some sort. An arbitrator. The examples of teacher, parent, or police officer are not between equals.

You remind me of someone I saw just three days ago. It was a typical afternoon rush hour. While merging on the freeway someone decided they didn't want to wait their turn. So they sped past all the waiting cars and decided they should merge ahead of everyone else and tried to force their way in. Which did eventually work. But the impatient driver who forced his way in wasn't happy. Because a couple cars either accidentally or intentionally didn't let him in. So he decided he should punish the person who didn't let him in by getting ahead of him and break checking him. To teach him a lesson.

Which caught the attention of the true arbitrator (and it wasn't either driver). It true arbitrator, the one who is actually qualified to determine what punishment should be, was a friendly peace officer who happened to also be stuck in traffic.

They made an argument against punishment. I can only address the argument that is presented. It's not my job to make deeper assumptions about what they might actually mean.

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1336

If the argument is now 'punishing another chess player while playing a game of chess is no way to go through life' then I think we need to remove checkmate from the game as every time you checkmate someone, you are punishing them. Also, we should make it etiquette never to capitalize on a blunder - as we are punishing the other player every time we do that.

lfPatriotGames

Oct 29, 2023

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#1337

And you are not qualified to issue punishment. That is not your job, as a chess player playing other chess players. Their argument is 100% correct, while yours uses analogies that don't apply.

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1338

I would agree it's not my 'job' but I can choose to do it.

You are choosing to punish me by repeatedly trolling me and challenging me over months in this thread. Is that your job? No, it's your choice. And you evidently think it's warranted.

lfPatriotGames

Oct 29, 2023

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#1339

22289d wrote:

I would agree it's not my 'job' but I can choose to do it.

You are choosing to punish me by repeatedly trolling me and challenging me over months in this thread. Is that your job? No, it's your choice. And you evidently think it's warranted.

Yes, you choose to do it. The person who cut in line and then decided to brake check the uncooperative merger also chose to do it. Even though it wasn't his job. As other people have said, don't be surprised if there are consequences.

22289d

Oct 29, 2023

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#1340

lfPatriotGames wrote:

22289d wrote:

I would agree it's not my 'job' but I can choose to do it.

You are choosing to punish me by repeatedly trolling me and challenging me over months in this thread. Is that your job? No, it's your choice. And you evidently think it's warranted.

Yes, you choose to do it. The person who cut in line and then decided to brake check the uncooperative merger also chose to do it. Even though it wasn't his job. As other people have said, don't be surprised if there are consequences.

Ya the consequence is I stalemate every once in awhile and instead of punishing my opponent, surely cause them to burst out laughing at me.