I keep seeing this term sandbagging

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What is the meaning of this. And is it legal?
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It's when a player deliberately loses games to lower their ratings, usually to enter a lower rated section of a tournament. It's considered cheating.

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See also https://support.chess.com/article/208-what-is-a-sandbagger

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Sred wrote:

It's when a player deliberately loses games to lower their ratings, usually to enter a lower rated section of a tournament. It's considered cheating.

It's not "cheating" until they actually enter a tournament. 

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Thanks. I was hearing it a lot but didn't know what it meant

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Thx

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It's also strongly looked down on OTB. Calling someone a sandbagger out loud would be as bad as calling them a cheater.

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so will someone accuse me of sandbagging if I just accidentally lost a bunch of games then entered a tournament?

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nope.

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lol

"I accidentally lost 20 games in a row, you gotta believe me"

 

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Let's say I were to play against a 2000+ player, how much points would I lose in a 30minute game, or a hour, would I lose - 500

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BlunderousWonder wrote:
Sred wrote:

It's when a player deliberately loses games to lower their ratings, usually to enter a lower rated section of a tournament. It's considered cheating.

It's not "cheating" until they actually enter a tournament. 

Sandbagging is always cheating.

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DamonevicSmithlov wrote:

I read a definition on urban dictionary that said sandbagging is like teabagging but the participants r from the middle east. Or just teabagging on the beach is another definition.

Not my definition, just trying to help.

Bruh

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Jomity wrote:

so will someone accuse me of sandbagging if I just accidentally lost a bunch of games then entered a tournament?

How does someone "accidentally" lose a "bunch of games"? There's no issue if you have a series of losses, but if those losses are because you've "accidentally" hit the Resign button when in winning positions, that would be a problem...

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donnelleraeburn wrote:

Let's say I were to play against a 2000+ player, how much points would I lose in a 30minute game, or a hour, would I lose - 500

Assume you are 800, and you play against 2000, you should lose approx 0.3-0.4 points per game.( assuming your rating is already stable after 1000 games)

Some system rounded the decimal into '0',  and some system will reduce '1' point.. You may lose '0' or '1' point after every game.

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Ah thx @dmrmboss, cause when I practice, I wanna see what's the odds of me winning, since I would probably lose 1 point, that means I would probably have 1000 attempt to beat a 2000+ player, since the odds is very low, the only chance of me winning is if they blunder 6 times

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Sred wrote:

It's when a player deliberately loses games to lower their ratings, usually to enter a lower rated section of a tournament. It's considered cheating.

They do not only do it for tournaments, they also do it for trolling. I have encountered such people before. A guy was 2300 but lowered his rating to 1600. And you can even see how he was doing this in his historical games. He was resigning his games, I think 100+ times.

This happened on another chess site that everyone claims is "the best". And I reported this guy but NOTHING was done. That site honestly do nothing against sandbaggers. wink.png

And these sandbaggers lower their rating to make you think they are weak, and then they go beat weaker players. This is pure example of trolling behavior.

Maybe you think why would anyone waste time doing such things? Trust me, there are many mentally ill people playing chess. And even here in this forum, I suspect there are some mentally ill as well...... wink.png

[Please do not make such comparisons with competitor sites where it is so easily identifiable: I have edited your post above to reflect this - David, moderator]

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donnelleraeburn wrote:

Ah thx @dmrmboss, cause when I practice, I wanna see what's the odds of me winning, since I would probably lose 1 point, that means I would probably have 1000 attempt to beat a 2000+ player, since the odds is very low, the only chance of me winning is if they blunder 6 times

1000 rated player has 1:300 odd of beating 2000 rated player!

http://www.ewbilliards.com/EloCalculater/

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devesh_the_king wrote:

A sandbagger is someone who intentionally lowers their rating, often intending to go to tournaments they can easily win.

They are also especially common in tournaments with cash prizes.

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