Live Chess - LOOOONG Games... should we make you confirm?

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KillaNinja

omg thy lord has delivered!!! Live Chess 3!!! problemo solvitio. job done lads we can go home. no need for worries any more, just open up a new game. savage craic. why didnt ya tell us erik? :P lol anyhow this basicly fixes evrythin dun't it

musicalhair

so, the solution is play more chess?  Brilliant!

nase
Eberulf wrote:

It just becomes irrelevant if you can just start another game while waiting. A simple solution that fixes a number of problems simultaneously is better than the accretion of of piecemeal solutions to individual problems. 


I would like to points out that this doesn't completely solves the problem.

I for one (and I don't think I'm alone) can't concentrate on 2 or more games at the same time. So if I would choise to make a second game in the assumption that the first player left the game, I have a problem when that first player returns (if he forinstance did one of the million action proposed here).  A problem in both games.

tarrasch

Well, are we talking about opponent who just walk away from the computer or when he leaves the clock running while he is clearly losing, hoping that you'll get bored and quit the game?

For the first case, it's his right to use his time however he deems fit.

For the second case, there are a few solutions:

- simplest, most effective: have a moderator in live, not necesarrily paid, but members who are trustworthy and spend a lot of time in live chess; first time someone lets his clock run out when he's clearly losing, he gets warned; next time, he gets banned. Simple, yet effective.

- rating and filter for sportmanship

- moderators ending won games

About the "Are you there? " button, that would be a new major problem, because people often leave the computer in long games, for various reasons.

xenos

Prefer option 1.

Suggested implementation:

Have an indicator alongside the name, or on prifile, which indicates how many times the player has done this in the past month.

The number need not be a direct count, but should give some idea of how many.

Option 2 is distraction and violates the laws of chess - 15.1 (d). Imagine if the same 5 minute question were posed over the board!

On the subject of this law, maybe something can be done about the losing player offering repeated draws?

erik

i think how we will handle this is that we are going to have a "disconnector" rating (how often people disconnect to abandon the game vs. resign). then, if someone loses on time after more than X minutes (1-3? - not sure how much yet) then it counts as a disconnect. so if they let 2 minutes and 30 seconds run off the clock and then it ends by timeout, they would be given a "disconnect". if you get too high of a disconnect ratio, you can no longer accept open challenges and your own seeks are flagged. not sure about all of the details, but something like that.  

philidorposition

I think the only solution to this is a strict moderation system. Chess com should log all move times for a short while, and when subsequent complaints about a user is recieved, it should be checked with logs and if the complaint is correct, they should be banned, just like that, with a sign on their homepage which says "banned for unsportsmanlike behaviour".

thejackbauer

The disconnector rating seems like a good idea. But instead of basing it all on computers I think those with a relatively high ratio should be monitored. A relatively easy example is one time I played someone who abandoned the game after being in a losing position. I just quickly check his profile and see that in most of the games he lost in it's due to abandonment (in a losing position). Actually this particular individual had all losses in abandonment at the time I played him. But looking at his games now he actually resigns. So I think giving a warning to these players with a high ratio would be good.

Maybe with this new system, enforced if a player disconnects, the auto-resign time could be extended. I disconnect a lot but I haven't ever been forced to  resign yet (because my disconnects are usually just 10 seconds to a minute). But I have had opponents who were in decent positions but because of the short timer when disconnecting, lost their games.

The losing on time idea sounds good.

But the problem then is, some players would just do one or two moves before time runs out, or resign just before the time runs out.

So I think as philidor_position said, there should be a strict moderation system. Maybe have a system where games can be tracked to see the amount of time spent per move (I don't know if this is possible). But I think with the teamwork of the disconnecting ratio, maybe the report abuse system, and moderation this could significantly reduce the amount of abandoned games.

Also maybe promoting the idea to use report abuse, I'm not sure if live chess even has this option. Abuse of the report abuse is problamatic but you can also punish the people from misuse it.

CabassoG

I personally think that there should be a disconnect amount for games played on people's livechess profile and possibly an Average disconnect rate.

Such as on your page.

Wins by resignation

Wins by checkmate

Wins  by Disconnect

Losses by resignation

Losses by checkmate
Losses by Disconnect

Average Disconnect rate