My Daily rating is WAY lower than rapid

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I'm a comfortable 1700 on rapid, yet on daily I struggle at 1350.

My rating not been below 1400 in 20 years. Not until I played Daily.

It makes me wonder which rating is the more reliable one, and how much help the opponent is getting in daily.

Also FYI I usually play 20 games at the same time on daily, because I am too impatient.

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In daily chess you are allowed to analyse the position with a chess set or the self analysis board provided right here on chess.com in the daily games. You are of course not allowed to use an engine or ask for help from another person. But you are allowed to use books and watch youtube videos etc.

So basically, if you are not using the resources allowed in daily, that might explain some of it.

Also because the self analysis is allowed and there is no clock, patience in searching for good moves makes a huge difference.

If you play daily like rapid or blitz (moving too fast), it will probably not get you a very high rating.

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This may be a tangential question but do you really care that much about the numbers, even if they were very valid(measured accurately what they were designed to. You still learned whatever you learned.

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Same thing for me, my daily is almost always 1500 something while my rapid rating is in the mid-1900s. The reason for me is I don't try very hard in my daily games. I think about what I'm going to play for about a minute and then I play it, and I don't use the self-analysis very often, while my opponents are probably taking advantage of the amount of time they have, and they probably use the self-analysis. So if you don't use the tools provided in daily, that could be the main reason you're stuck at about 1350.

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Same, my rapid is ~1850 but Im only 1300 smth daily.

( though, I do have a 92% winrate in daily )

Thanks for the queen @TheNameofNames

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Same but its mostly due to rapid being one focused thought process where with daily half the time its like oh they finally moved I'll do this oops its a one move blunder I didn't even really remember this game or what my plan was oh well. Sometimes ill think real hard for 7-8 days of moves but that's only 5 moves then forget the game get bored of it and just play whatever to clear my phone notification.  Also since players can use the built in tool and are allowed to use databases for the openings if they do try hard they have more tools at their disposal. You cannot get an opening advantage if they choose to play with databases your best bet is to hop out of main lines asap and also make use of the analysis tool if you really care about daily rating but its essentially correspondence chess  and you can do anything but use an engine.  

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Well in contrast my daily is about 1400 and my rapid (mostly 60 minutes) 1200.  The explanation is old age, 63, the brain needs more time to process and recognize patterns, having come back to chess after 35 years.  I don't use too much help when doing daily the difference is just as explained above.  

I keep away from <10 minutes games-happy.png

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Maani62 kirjoitti:

Well in contrast my daily is about 1400 and my rapid (mostly 60 minutes) 1200.  The explanation is old age, 63, the brain needs more time to process and recognize patterns, having come back to chess after 35 years.  I don't use too much help when doing daily the difference is just as explained above.  

I keep away from <10 minutes games-

Same here, although I am only 38. I started playing chess only a little over a year ago so I still need a lot of time to not blunder…

I am ~1500 daily, ~1200 rapid and ~900 blitz (highest in blitz was ~1000).

In rapid I mostly (almost only) play 15|10. I should try the 60 minute games every now and then though…

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Seems like I have the lowest daily rating of all players in this thread so far.

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 A lot of people who almost exclusively play Rapid 10+0 or even faster time controls, will be really bad at longer time controls just for the sole reason they are not used to thinking about a position for more than some seconds.

 If anyone were to give them 10 minutes per position (per move I mean), for example, they would never come up with better responses, just because they won't be able to get past the best responses they would come up in shorter time controls. 

 On the other hand people who play Daily as their main time control, even if they take it as some sort of "classical" time control (without using databases etc), could be really bad at faster time controls - they will fail to spot many things when they only have some seconds to consider a position. And that's because they are used to maybe taking 5 / 10 minutes per position, considering which moves are better for a medium / long term advantage, checking for blunders, etc. Stuff they won't be able to do in, let's say, a 5 minute or 10 minute game with no increment.

 

 So, OP, it's not really surprising, tbh.

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humanwarnings wrote:

I'm a comfortable 1700 on rapid, yet on daily I struggle at 1350.

My rating not been below 1400 in 20 years. Not until I played Daily.

It makes me wonder which rating is the more reliable one, and how much help the opponent is getting in daily.

Also FYI I usually play 20 games at the same time on daily, because I am too impatient.

i wouldnt care about daily lol, nobody really cares about it tbh

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Everything works for me

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It's casual. I played with a friend. Nice to come home to a board set to a daily. I never dug into my books though. You could have a notebook to write down your plan @cokezerochess22.

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TheNameofNames wrote:
Defaultedwastaken wrote:

Same, my rapid is ~1850 but Im only 1300 smth daily.

( though, I do have a 92% winrate in daily )

Thanks for the queen @TheNameofNames

Youre weird man, when i accepted your match i knew you were trying to prove something like why invite me after discussing lines, you were in a bad position with your king stuck on h8 and in the other game you were losing positionally i was +1.7

It seems like you tried to not play into the lines. I sent two challenges so if you wanted to, you had the choice to only play unrated.

I also suck at chess.

and btw, ill be honest, I thought I just hung my queen and was ready to resign - until I realized it couldnt be taken becuse of the tactic. ( I did blunder the pawn before that though).

I also enjoy having the f-file open for me in that ruy game. Maybe the computers dont approve, but it gives way for attack.

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GBTGBA wrote:

People who don’t like to think too much of their chess moves have lower ratings in longer time controls. That’s entirely normal.

Or, if you are like me, you don't play daily chess often but rather other time controls instead so your daily rating is outdated.

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I'm only playing two Daily games at the moment. In a position that's clear and obvious I tend to play extremely fast compared with most Daily players. But if I smell trouble I slow right down and take the full three days, looking at the position usually for ten to 15 minutes twice a day. Sometimes it's only on the second or third day that I really start to get to grips with a position. It can take two full days just to come up with a full list of candidate moves. I don't want to make a move that gets me into trouble. I want to get my opponent into trouble. Daily is far harder than is supposed. Rapid is the easiest control, and bullet, of course. Blitz is less easy than those, or should be.

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Daily is as difficult as playing otb slowplay, except that in daily, you can lose focus between moves.

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Daily doesn't sound like my cup of tea. Think I'll stick with coffee.

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Probably just luck, but I beat an 8000, even though I normally only beat 6500s. Kidding, but I came for the opposite reason... I lose to the dang 250 bot in 5 min format, but can handle bots at least 800 with time to think. I gather real ratings are on a time curve, while bots play a straight accuracy regardless of format? I can prove that newbies waste a relative ton of time on openings, so the daily:blitz rating ratio is probably not linear with experience.

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I don't know, I think my rapid is around 1700, but my daily is 1864....