Petition to Make Chess A Sport

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Oh. I forgot this forum must be serious and we have to be arguing at all times. Sorry. Won't happen again

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I am not offended by any of this. Why would I be?  I just see it as pointless.

Some people think chess is a sport, some don't.  I don't care. 

I might start to care if some sporting body  starts to interfere with my chess playing life.  FIDE already mandates WADA's rules for any competitions eligible for FIDE rating.  That means, for example, that  Cannabis is a banned substance during competitions.  How absurd.  It is not performance enhancing.  Quite the opposite.  Sporting bodies are not supposed to implement the anti-drug laws of various governments. They are supposed to ban substances that are either performaqnce enhancing, or definitely injurious to health.

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BlumenfeldRocks wrote:

I am not offended by any of this. Why would I be?  I just see it as pointless.

Some people think chess is a sport, some don't.  I don't care. 

I might start to care if some sporting body  starts to interfere with my chess playing life.  FIDE already mandates WADA's rules for any competitions eligible for FIDE rating.  That means, for example, that  Cannabis is a banned substance during competitions.  How absurd.  It is not performance enhancing.  Quite the opposite.  Sporting bodies are not supposed to implement the anti-drug laws of various governments. They are supposed to ban substances that are either performaqnce enhancing, or definitely injurious to health.

The pointlessness of any topic can be seen as offensive to anyone who wishes for productivity. It is not the topic that seems pointless, but the debate within. Therefore, I shall continue this topic (I really don't have a choice) and see where it leads. The topic is still alive, and disagreements continue.

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it already is

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What do the governing bodies of chess say? We already know what the dictionaries and encyclopedias say. But what about THE authorities on chess?

FIDE Handbook. The Laws of Chess, Article 1, Rule 1.1. What does it say?

What about the USCF? The Rules of Chess. Chapter 1. What does it say?

Chess.com is a pretty big chess website. They have weighed in on the topic. What do they say?

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25GSchatz22 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

"It doesn't matter whether it is sometimes competitive"

He means that chess isn't always competitive and can be played for fun.

And that's true. But all sports ARE physical. All definitions have that part. Chess is not physical. It's mental. The physical parts of chess can be completely eliminated. That's not possible for sports. Which is why chess cannot be a sport. 

Even the source he provided lists chess under games, not sports. 

If a "sport of the mind" happened to meet the criteria of a sport (without the comparison of it with other "physical sports" in order to eliminate bias), it should be regarded as such.

Wouldn't all games, including chess, be a "sport of the mind"? Isn't that exactly what separates games from sports? Games-mental. Sports-physical. I agree chess is a "mindsport". All games are. 

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I disagree that chess is merely a sport of the mind, although I phrased it that way because I hadn't yet come to the conclusion of what to call it. Unlike other games, chess possess the strikingly similar attributes of a normal sport, and all mental skill manifest physical skill. We also stick to the definition and say that chess involves physical exertion. Chess, like many other activities, lies in a hazy zone between game and sport for most people. Nowhere does it state that all sports must involve physical skill, so we must let go of this idea.

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25GSchatz22 wrote:

I disagree that chess is merely a sport of the mind, although I phrased it that way because I hadn't yet come to the conclusion of what to call it. Unlike other games, chess possess the strikingly similar attributes of a normal sport, and all mental skill manifest physical skill. We also stick to the definition and say that chess involves physical exertion. Chess, like many other activities, lies in a hazy zone between game and sport for most people. Nowhere does it state that all sports must involve physical skill, so we must let go of this idea.

"so we must let go "?

You can let go of that idea if you like.  I will make my own decisions.  There is no logically compelling "must" about it.

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25GSchatz22 wrote:

I disagree that chess is merely a sport of the mind, although I phrased it that way because I hadn't yet come to the conclusion of what to call it. Unlike other games, chess possess the strikingly similar attributes of a normal sport, and all mental skill manifest physical skill. We also stick to the definition and say that chess involves physical exertion. Chess, like many other activities, lies in a hazy zone between game and sport for most people. Nowhere does it state that all sports must involve physical skill, so we must let go of this idea.

You called it that because it's the only way to associate chess with sports. Same way we could associate Scrabble or Soduko with sports. It's a mental pursuit, not a physical one. So to call it a "sport of the mind" is the best we can do. We certainly can't call it a physical sport. We can't call it a formal sport. We can't call it a traditional sport. If we want to use the word sport somehow that's the best we have. 

And actually, in almost ALL references and definitions it does in fact say sports must involve physical skill or physical participation of some kind. That's kinda the whole point. It's the physical part that makes a game a sport. 

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It seems if we both mangle the definition of sport and unreasonably overplay the physical aspects involved in chess, chess can indeed be considered a sport. 

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batgirl wrote:

It seems if we both mangle the definition of sport and unreasonably overplay the physical aspects involved in chess, chess can indeed be considered a sport.

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BlumenfeldRocks wrote:
25GSchatz22 wrote:

I disagree that chess is merely a sport of the mind, although I phrased it that way because I hadn't yet come to the conclusion of what to call it. Unlike other games, chess possess the strikingly similar attributes of a normal sport, and all mental skill manifest physical skill. We also stick to the definition and say that chess involves physical exertion. Chess, like many other activities, lies in a hazy zone between game and sport for most people. Nowhere does it state that all sports must involve physical skill, so we must let go of this idea.

"so we must let go "?

You can let go of that idea if you like.  I will make my own decisions.  There is no logically compelling "must" about it.

If you prefer to continue with the idea that physical skill is essential for a game to be a sport, you can. 

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@batgirl - many people claim that Tal was the greatest attacking player of all time. He was sickly, smoked like a fiend, drank far far too much, and was often in the hospital between rounds. Without dwelling on the obvious lack of physical conditioning of some the top players in the world, I think we can safely say that it’s not a necessary component of top play. It probably helps... a little.
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definitely A sport

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
@batgirl - many people claim that Tal was the greatest attacking player of all time. He was sickly, smoked like a fiend, drank far far too much, and was often in the hospital between rounds. Without dwelling on the obvious lack of physical conditioning of some the top players in the world, I think we can safely say that it’s not a necessary component of top play. It probably helps... a little.

I obviously agree.

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I don’t think there’s any hazy line at all. If it were possible to remove your brain from your body and attach it to a bunch of wires to keep your consciousness fully functional, you’d still be able to play chess as a brain in a box. Heck, freed from the distractions of maintaining a body, you might play better. I’d like to see a brain in a box try to dunk a basketball.