Player stalling in hopelessly lost game -- chess.com will do nothing about it

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cjsab
batgirl wrote:

you'll miss him when he's gone...

Now that is a rather disturbing thought!  :-)  Reminds me of the HBO movie "Conspiracy" (with Kenneth Branagh, Stanley Tucci and Colin Firth), which recounts the infamous meeting at a country mansion in Wahnsee, Germany, where a group of high-ranking Nazi officials convened to work out (in the space of a mere 2 hours!) the plans for the "Final Solution" to the "Jewish question".  Near the end of the film, Branagh relates a little cautionary tale one of the attendees had shared with him earlier, the moral of which was basically that one should be careful not to allow one's hatred to become so obsessive and all-consuming that one is left with nothing once the object of said hatred is no more.

Excellent film, by the way.  :-)

batgirl

That's true.  But also true is that we can't really appreciate true pleasure not having experienced true pain.  Other than Heydrich, Eichmann was probably the most recognized name at Wannsee. The Nazis were quite chillingly efficient.

kco
joeydvivre wrote:

There are some weird things about that game:

a) Your opponent played a completely pitiful game.  That was a pitiful game for an 800 player.  Not sure what that was about.

b) He seems to finish lots of other games and doesn't seem to mind losing.  The guy has 500+ completed games, many very recently.

c) The game is completely utterly thoroughly over.  More over than many other games he has resigned.

What did you do to honk him off so much?  

probably taking too long to finish him off, as I see the game the OP could have check mated him 2 moves earlier ! 

kco

and maybe the opponent decided to take his time because unfortulately you told him to "resign" or to that effect.

RyanGarner

Yes, that happened to me, except I didn't tell the psyco to resign.

cjsab
kco wrote:

and maybe the opponent decided to take his time because unfortulately you told him to "resign" or to that effect.

I don't know what motivated his response, really.  But just for the record, let me clarify one last time:

I didn't tell him to resign.  I merely suggested, in view of his hopelessly lost position, and completely in the spirit of good sportsmanship and to give him the opportunity to possibly win back a game and "save face", that he resign and let us start a new game, since there was clearly no point in continuing the present game.

When he responded to this with a draw offer, I still responded good-naturedly with:

A draw??? Come on, now! :-)

By the way, he's gone back on vacation again now!  This guy is utterly shameless.

kco

even you suggested it, it still the same as telling him to resign !

that is why ivandh pointed it out...

  

22 Hours Ago · Quote · #46

ivandh 

cjsab wrote:
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I didn't "ask him to resign".  I simply ... asked if he'd like to just go ahead and resign

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RyanGarner

If you could, please join "students of chess", here is a link, also, if you do join, please join the free siminar classes. Thanks!

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/students-of-chess

cjsab
JPatSoCal wrote:

I am with the OP on this one.  It is bad enough that it happens in 'Lets Play' online games, but I have been in a tournament for the better part of a year.  For the last three months, one game, with one staller, has been holding the entire tournament from moving to the next round.  Staff doesn't care.

For all of those who say it's just the rules, keep in mind that chess.com writes the vacation rules...it's not part of the game. I either have to put up with the abuse, or play 'no vacation' tourneys exclusively.  There are many solutions that allow for vacation time but eradicate the abuse.  We are all victims and the best we can do is alert each other so we can block these folks as well.

Thank you!  Exactly why I resorted to venting in this thread in the first place, having hit a brick wall in trying to get chess.com to appreciate what was going on with this game.

The rules governing OTB play didn't reach their present form overnight, and chess.com needs to be open to the possibility that some of their rules and policies may require some revisions over time, if they're failing to fulfill their intended purpose or if some oversight comes to light.  It's not easy to foresee all the many ways the system might be abused, given the penchant many would-be abusers have for actively seeking out ever more creative ways to take advantage of any flaw in the existing design.

Simply parroting back snippets of rules and policies in response to user reports/complaints without giving thoughtful consideration to the nature of the individual complaint is not only useless and dismissive, but also potentially misses out on the opportunity to incorporate new ideas into the existing framework that may help to prevent similar cases from arising in the future.

rpcvsentlisi

Please don't do conditional moves.  Since you have a forced mate in two, make him use up his vacation time.  Just make sure you check back every two days.  If you use Conditional moves, he will know you see it and might just quit.  He is being a complete jerk, force him to use the vacation time.

netzach

You need patience as in theory your opponent within the rules. The game doesn't currently show vacation so think you got 4-days to go ! :))

cjsab
kco wrote:

even you suggested it, it still the same as telling him to resign !

that is why ivandh pointed it out...

  

22 Hours Ago · Quote · #46

ivandh 

cjsab wrote:
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I didn't "ask him to resign".  I simply ... asked if he'd like to just go ahead and resign

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A case of "selective editing", omitting the accompanying suggestion that we just go ahead and start a new game, since the outcome of the present one was entirely obvious and there was no point whatsoever in continuing.

And when exactly did "asking" or "suggesting" come to be synonymous with "telling" or "commanding"?  Have the semantics of the English language suddenly changed overnight, and I somehow missed it?

It's really becoming quite tedious repeatedly trying to explain that I merely made a friendly suggestion to point out that he did have the option of sparing us both the complete waste of time of playing out a game whose outcome was obvious, so that we might get on with a new game.

Does anyone still not understand this?

netzach

I understand you are letting opponent get to you. You have also posted on his '' notes-page '' & if you are not careful it will end up being yourself in trouble for harassing him.

You need to wait the until the time runs out & that's it end of story.

chichito

That has happened to me a lot....it happens that when they know they are going to lose then they spend their last  second to make a move...It got me so mad that since the last time I just decided to accept 1/day move games only I stopped playing online games 4 a while because of thatplaying online

RyanGarner

Has anyone joined the group link I posted?

chichito

Someone said about premoves but when u are a basic member that only can make 1 line then is a pain in the place

kco

premove are only in live chess.

chichito

conditional moves I meant

_IronButterfly_
nameno1had wrote:

Well, instead of checkmating him, turn about would be fair play. Make him want to resign by dragging his delima out as long as possible for practice in not accidentally drawing and exploring all of the possible checkmates you could use. I think using a game well in hand, "when your opponent is in no hurry for it to be overwith", is actually a "fair" idea. I would promote every pawn and make sure I left no stone unturned. Make him never want to play you for every good reason you can.

Good idea.  I never thought of this torture before.  haha Sure would take alot of patience though.  :D

cjsab
RyanGarner wrote:

Has anyone joined the group link I posted?

Yes, I did a few minutes ago, Ryan.