RIP Steve Jobs! (take two)

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 I have never liked Apple. To me, it has always been a hypocritical company.

Thanks for the great artcile, corrijean.  No doubt Ronliv will show up soon and rubbish it as the work of an "envious writer," or say that those Chinese workers are "there by choice."  Or maybe he'll forge a new inanity that is completely devoid from the workings of reality; only time will tell.

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Maybe talk about how jobs will return from China when market forces determine that the Chinese people are tired of the massive polution they're subjected to. In our industry there are raw materials that can only be obtained from China. We couldn't get them for about 3 weeks during the Chinese Olympics. The government shut down all industrial production in order to conceal the stunning level of air polltion in China. This is as much a factor in the outsourcing of jobs as cheap labor. Developing countries have very lax environmental standards for business to comply with.

I thought we were discussing Jobs, as in Steve Jobs, not jobs, as in how I used to pay my bills before I started using credit cards.

Well I love Apple Computers - for graphic design it's the ultimate. And Apple produce the sexiest monitors. My favourite stores to walk into...

I'm praising his achievements as a genius in his field.

And like I said if he hasn't given a good whack of his stacked wealth to charity then that is the only thing I will be praising him for, his work achievements. I assume if he has donated to charity in his WILL, we WILL all hear about it.. (pardon the pun).

Timotheous has a point. Some people when they can't logically stay on point, change the Subject to something totally unrelated...it is typical of liberals who are driven by emotion...I Don't know if theoretical boy is one or not, but it shows laziness of thought and critical thinking.

So a review of Steve Jobs' life and a comment on the review is not on topic in a thread about his life? In case you missed it, here is the article.

http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs

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Sure, there's obviously no problem with that.  It's when you drag in libertarian nonsense like Ronliv is doing (and have the temerity to accuse those factually discussing labor standards of lazy critical thinking) that one just has to point out that person is being inane.

I read the article and there were some contradictions. Also you have to realize that China is a Communist regime and it was not Steve Job's fault for that political system. Also they came late to the Industrial Age as Mao ruled them with an iron fist. As far as his personality, you can say what you want...no one is perfect...he that has no sin cast the first stone...silence...if you're looking for perfection, you're going to look for a long time and not find it until you are on the other side of eternity...now on to some chess...

Sure, it's not just Jobs exporting jobs to a country with horrible labor standards like China; but, it doesn't make it right.  And I think my minor transgressions against humanity (which I am always aware of, and always try to atone for) pale into comparison with the misery wrought by a company like Apple.

Plus, the point is, this report, endorsed by Apple itself, blasts numerous holes in your comments that criticism is driven by envy, and the following comment; "things have gotten better and employers take care of their employees now more than Ever out of self-interest---if you have happy employees, they will take care of the customer-- Unions for the most part have become corrupt and outlived their usefulness..."

Are you going to admit that unions are not deserving of your dismissal now?

I'd write more on a computer, but using this ipad makes posting more difficult. Everyone has a mixture if flaws with their virtues. I would certainly not want a cult to start worshipping him and developing a mythology centered on him. However, i think there is much that i can learn from studying outliers such as Steve Jobs. I see value in threads such as tnis one by Chess_Kebabs. I also see value in pointing out articles such the one by corrijean that illustrate a fuller picture of the man.

When I talk about Unions being corrupt and outlasting their usefulness! I'm talking about here in the U.S., Where we have progressed. Do you think China, with it's totalitarian system Is going to allow Unions to exist there?, and if they do it would be in name only. the most powerful Union in the U.S. Is the teachers' Unions which promote the status quo in education And want to protect the jobs of the union paying dues teachers. some of the teachers don't even know how to teach and should be in another line of work. The unions don't care about the students' getting a good education, just about holding on to power and the corrupt edifice They've built for themselves...

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Sorry, what libertarian nonsense did I drag in and who did I accuse of lazy critical thinking?

Do you mean my wishes and hopes for him to have donated to charity? To  make up for his gluttonous lifestyle to date without much concern for humanity? I'm pretty disgusted by what I have read about him on that  level/side. But I'm waiting to see if he will redeem himself when his Will comes out.

But am still saying the man was a genius, even if he was a total ass / ****head as a human being in his living days.  Wait to see if he died that way too.

Seriously anyone with billions of dollars who is on their deathbed that does not have a compelling urge to use a good portion of that money/wealth to improve/save the lives of the impoverished really is a .........  (remains a lady and doesn't write what really is thinking).

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Fixed it for ya. And you did not comment on the review; you offered your own opinion (not that there's anything wrong with having one).

Here's some counterbalance:

http://technologizer.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-birthday-video/

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=113&load=6142

LPS, disappointed

I find this stupefying--not the thread, but the entire Jobs lovefest.

He wasn't a genius; he didn't invent anything.  He gave a bunch of bad advice, and he made a bunch of money by exploiting folks who really did possess genius. 

I love the "don't settle" "don't compromise" advice.  It may well be the worst advice anyone could give an entrepreneur.

He was a man with a family, so his passing is not a happy occasion, but come on, he wasn't a bloody saint. 

Soldiers die in Afghanistan regularly and its reported on page 9.  Some rich dude dies and it's a world wide day of mourning?  I find that not only stupefying but reprehensible.

babs; "like Ronliv is doing."

LPS; the article is heavily sourced, and with sources that Apple have endorsed.  Saying it's a hatchet job doesn't bear the slightest scrutiny.

Ronliv; this is a discussion probably out of bounds given the forum rules.  I think you're totally wrong, but let's just leave it at that.

I wonder if Bill Gates will get a lovefest too?  Probably not, as he's always been the villain. 

Though he's done much more good for this cruel world than Jobs ever, likely, even considered.

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yes, that's true.

Let's wait for D-day though.. or should I say W-day before casting the final gauntlet on Jobs' value as a human being. 

His works made  him immortal. I salute him from the bottom of my heart.

One question. Would the iPhone or iPad exist today  in the capacity it exists today if Steve Jobs hadn't of been behind the innovations?  And there is no denying he was the driver of that wheel.