OK, I think this thread has now gotten to the point where it's clear each side has their entrenched position and is just slinging insults at the other side: it's not politics or religion, but it's exactly the sort of behaviour that is why those topics are banned in the public forums, so I am now locking this thread.
If someone wants to create a thread in Open Discussion to continue this, send me the link and I would be happy to add it to this coda.
Thanks,
David, moderator
that thing in the sky
it looks like cotton wool
unless sheep can fly
leglesss and looking cool.
(Shelley Long)