Stop locking forums.

@Spacebux: I asked in the Android club about the problem you reported in the other thread - the replies there so far indicate that the Live Analysis is only available for games against the computer. If that's not the case - and I have no way of verifying this, since I don't have an Android device - then you should join that club and engage in that thread.

It was getting no-where with repeats of the same things over and over. Also, any feedback that was in there had been long overwritten by posts that in many cases just repeated the idea that was already established in that club.

As we've said, continued discussion on V2 vs V3/V4 can be made at https://www.chess.com/club/chess-com-v2. That is the only place such discussion will be welcomed and properly acknowledged.

The discussion wasn't meant to progress in a fashion that pleases you.It was for the other people.

Ifyou don't like it, Spacebux, there's a simple solution - leave.

You are a whiner and complainer.

Oh, and by the way, no FORUMS were locked at all. THREADS have been locked, but no FORUMS.

A collection of THREADS can be found on a FORUM; the fact that you can not discern the difference shows that your opinions can be disregarded without fear.

Spacebux has hosted thousands of people in his tournaments and matches over the years. What have you done for anyone?

I think we have our First Troller of the Forum here, and a N0buddy at that.

Fastastic - this thread has already been moved to "Off Topic".  Thanks, David.  Locking will come shortly, I'm sure.

Tyler - welcome to the discussion.  I have the sense that you are new to all this and are being spoon-fed the talking points of the Uppers.

• we've already discussed it
• the developers are working on it
• v3 is all that and a bag chips / sandwhich / cup of tea
  
• v2 runs on old architecture that cannot be supported
• v3 cannot run at optimal speeds until v2 is turned off completely

...these are the talking points of the Elders.  We have refuted them consistently, pointing out the flaws in logic with logic and data to support our arguments.  We have repeatedly done so, yes, because ever other STAFFer has come to do the same thing in the same manner in the same forums -- to attempt to convince and woo the v2 holdouts that v3 is the Bee's knees of software.

  Problem is, in all our testing and User Experience, its not that.  Not even close.

v3 is already being superceded by v4 development now.  And, in case you did not know, Tyler, most platforms are backwards compatible.  Even my own website uses Server Side Inludes which is a construct ~15-20 years old... probably more.  It works just fine.  It does the job it was intended to do.  Newer tech does not always mean better or better suited.  I know you Millenials like to think so---you were innundated with such teachings all your lives, probably to the point of brainwashing.  Have you given up your paper books for iPads and Chromebooks?  No more need for libraries, eh?  Or schools.  Everything, all the answers are at your finger tips.  Right?

   Tyler, I want you to go and take your own objective look at v2.  Put your talking points memorandums aside.  Independent, objective thought is required, but I know you can do it.  I believe in you.  You don't have to acknowledge me here.  It's okay.  I and others here are used to being ignored, chastised, and impugned.  Martin does not believe so, but I can go back and find numerous instances of such posts from the Cult of V3.

• Objectively, v2 is still superior to v3. 
  
• Objectively, v2 can will still run just fine on any of today's modern hardware and operating system software. 
• Objectively, v2 runs faster because it ships less data across the wires compared to v3 (~1/4th to 1/5th the amount as measured in our tests, documented as well, btw) AND requires much less processing than v3.  
• Objectively, v3's User Interface does NOT have the pagination that v2 does---hence, Scrolling in to the Abyss is required.
• Objectively, v2's MENU is far easier to navigate and understand than v3's Iconification System.
• Objectively, v2 is more condusive to social interaction between players in groups (*cough* *cough* clubs.. ).  In groups, players participate with greater emotional connection to the site and play more games.  I.e., enhanced traffic.  v3 has skewed the whole social paradigm of the old chess.com in favor of grandiose patronage from FB, as well as, the publishing & marketing of the Higher Ups (Danny R., e.g.) as they attempt to carve out a name for themselves.  They control the content.  They control the direction of the chess community.  They dictate.  We follow.
  
  

Tyler---to borrow a line from the Emporer in Star Wars, Episode III---stop being a pawn of the Chess.com council and go create for yourself your own reality of what's what in this world.

David -- Live Analysis runs whether you're playing Human v. Computer or Human v. Human.  You guys really need to understand your own software and what it implies as its shipped across the planet.

Many people have multiple connections to the internet.  I myself have my phone and a laptop.  If I dared, I could easily set my phone to a Human v. Human setting (to play locally, not connected to chess.com at all).  I could ignore or turn off "Analysis Mode", but leave the other cheater options on:

• Show Best Moves
• Show Threats
• Show Blunders

... that alone will easily let me pre-play my moves on a secondary screen while I play Live games against another unwitting opponent on my laptop, for example.  I may not have deep analysis, but just knowing my proposed moves are dubious or not is more than enough to be flagged as cheating, in my opinion. 

And chess.com would never be the wiser.  You'd have to analyse 10s or 100s of my games to find out that I never blunder away pieces... and that's about all you'd discover.

In essence, chess.com has handed everyone using their App the means to cheat.

(I will copy and save this post because its critically important to discuss..!!)  I will repeatedly post this if deleted or :LOCKED: by Staff.  You guys have handed every App user a means to demean the efforts of honest players.  Your development team is responsible for all of this.  There is no way you can talk yourselves around it. 

Live Analysis, Show Best Moves, Show Threats, Show Blunders -- great Bells & Whistles, in line with v3's culture.  But a critical mistake, guys.

Logic Left the Building on that roll-out.

Ain't no building. That is one of the problems!

Well, if it ever passed by, it didn't stay for long, that's for sure. 

I used V2 as a member for two years prior to my job at Chess.com

Additionally, those "problems"/ "cheat tools" you describe are nothing more than learning tools, which you have access to from being a diamond member. The members that chose to abuse such abilities are easily caught and banned. 

In regards to my preference, it's V3... Even BEFORE getting a job at Chess.com I preferred V3 as it became an option... That's my opinion. 

Give it to him, @Spacebux, he is a nice kid. He tries real hard!

And I am NOT being sarcastic. For ONCE. 

See Spacey, it has nothing to do with his job. He really likes V3 best and not just because he is paid to say that.   

Not necessarily so, apparently. He may be a volunteer.

Uhh.. No.  Those "cheat tools" are not learning tools, though they were probably intended to be at one point.

No, you are incorrect.  You are distributing incorrect information.  You do not have to be a Diamond Member to have access to those tools.  (I have to point this out, because Martin likes to keep account of such things as who's distributing what kind of incorrect information...)  I downloaded the App.  Never logged in.  The App has no idea who I am or why I'm using it.  It just suddenly starts the LIVE ANALYSIS when I was trying to replay a game I was reading about in a book.  Before I could look at the next paragraph, >BOOM<, faster than you can say, Holy Cupcakes, Batman!!, all these move arrows, and engine line analysis started popping up on my screen.

And it is possible that if he is paid, he believes in it.

Spacebux has already pointed out that the millenials think that technology provides all the answers, and that the wisdom of the ages is all passe. 

No longer does one require a separate BOT engine to run in the background of your laptop or an affiliate's PC.  Now, you can operate all by yourself with your chess.com phone App & Laptop/PC/iPad logged in to Chess.com's Live games.

I can triple-guarantee you your detection engines will not catch anyone with half-a-brain's wit about what they're doing.

@Spacebux: please continue your discussion about the Android app in the club set up for doing, where I have created a thread for you: https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/analysis-options-seems-to-be-on-by-default 

I cannot verify that what you claim about the Android app is true, but in that thread I created there's already a reply from someone from the QA team.

There are plenty of other mobile chess apps out there that could be misused in the same way - the Chess.com cheating detection algorithm will catch them in the same way. While you might not believe in the efficacy of those cheat detection routines, we do. Please note that it is also against the forum rules to be discussing how someone might circumvent those cheat detection routines, so please stop that saying those things in the public forums - I have created a thread for you in the Cheating Discussion club for this: https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/using-the-chess-com-android-app-in-live-games

I see @camter is already asking about it in the club Notes - thanks for that. Please direct discussion on that part of things to this thread.

I'm very sure he started his thread where he wanted it. Not where you wanted it.

Another day, another forum topic locked by some Moderator who's upset with some posters not paying enough attention to her repeated warnings. 

In one aspect, she may be correct, but rather than MUTE the few offenders, she clamped down and stopped ALL discussion. 

Stop Moderator Abuse.