Time Out Win may not be the solution

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Siecledelumiere

Just won a game on time out.

Can I deny this win because believe that not's very fair towards the other player since:

 

  1. What do we do about force majeur then? May be he/she had an unexpected occurence that prevented him/her from even thinking about his game.
  2. It is not a true reflection of actual rating, imagining someone winning only on opponent's time out the sky is the limit!!! My rating go up without doing anything while his goes down because may be he could not do anything as I already mentioned force majeur cannot be prevented.

So if anyone knows of a way to cancel the game that I won on time please tell me, I think we need some fair play here and I'm certain there must be a solution to solve this dilemma.

Thanks mate

 


artfizz

A bit late now, but there an option in your chess.com settings:


tonswinchillchur

Hi Mico,

I'm not aware whether one can refuse a win (and the rating adjustments that go with it) once a game is already over. But you probably know that, at least for future games, you can prevent this from happening by turning off the switch that allows you to "automatically claim victory when time runs out" in your online chess settings.

I also don't like winning -- let alone losing -- on time, which is why I have disabled the "automatically claim victory" function. Yet I must hasten to add that, as far as rating adjustemts go, there is a downside to this too. Here is why:

I once let an opponent off the hook by not claiming victory despite the fact that it took him 6 days to make his next move in a what was then a pretty tight endgame. Apart from the match being very engaging and its final outcome uncertain, I felt it would be unfair to claim those extra points by winning on time. But it so happens that none of my opponent's opponents did the same thing, meaning that he lost all of his ongoing games on time (6 in total) except the one he was playing against me. His rating dropped sharply as a result of those losses, but he went on to win our close match. So when this happened, my own rating dropped more than it should have if I had not been so "nice": 150 points instead of 15, as would have been the case had he not lost on time to all those other players who had not disabled the "automatic claim victory". I feel my rating adjustment arising from that situation turned out to be as deceptive as it would have been if I had simply won on time.

Hope this helps. Cheers, tonswinchillchur.


Siecledelumiere

Thanks mate going to change this setting straight away. Don't want anymore un-fairness.


Siecledelumiere

Thanks Alejandro. Setting friendly now.


eternal21

Your opponent can buy chess.com membership, and his account will go on automatic vacation in case he fails to move within 3 days.  I have no problem winning on time.


erik

it's not really unfair to win on time :) it might be unpleasant for you, but it isn't a matter of fairness, since that is what everyone agreed to when starting the game :) anyway, i think that setting will help you a lot. please note that it does NOT apply to tournament games.


Vertmouron

I personally have no problem with the concept of winning on time and I think chess.com was wise to set up the rules that way by default.  Indeed, one can always choose to change their settings otherwise.

MCFC

I had three days unexpectedly off work the other week and because I do not currently have the internet at home, I lost about 12 games in tournements on time.

Now I can not enter any other tournements as my time out ratio is above 10%.

Does this rule only apply to tournement play and therefore I will never be able to enter another tournement or will the one off games I complete gradually up my ratio of completed games and enable me to play tournements once again?

I do think you need the time out rule as some people are sad enough to deliberately lose on time when they know they are facing defeat anyway, if it would not effect their rating.

Saccadic

I may be the only one who cares about this, but sometimes I offer a draw before my opponent runs out of time. If their time runs out while the draw is still valid, I think it should force them to accept, no?

artfizz
MCFC wrote: I had three days unexpectedly off work the other week and because I do not currently have the internet at home, I lost about 12 games in tournements on time.

That's most unfortunate. Access from a public library may be an alternative in these circumstances.

 

MCFC wrote:

Now I can not enter any other tournements as my time out ratio is above 10%.

Does this rule only apply to tournement play and therefore I will never be able to enter another tournement or will the one off games I complete gradually up my ratio of completed games and enable me to play tournements once again?

I do think you need the time out rule as some people are sad enough to deliberately lose on time when they know they are facing defeat anyway, if it would not effect their rating.


Completing non-tournament games within the time limit will help you lower your timeout ratio to within acceptable parameters. It is not EVERY tournament that imposes a %timeout threshold; it's at the discretion of the TD. Look carefully and you may find some.

MCFC

I am regularly checking the tournements to see if I am eligible to enter any of them.

In the mean time I am playing plenty of games, so my time out ratio should be back below 10% soon anyway.

Thanks for your comments and advice though Artifizz

samde

Hi Everybody, somehow time factor  is important in chess playing particularly in non virtual tournaments.Have not yet faced such a situation till now, probably in a near future and your comments will definitely be helpful.Thanks