To those that mock you with "Why couldn't you Googles that"?

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bigpoison

It depends on what the definition of "is" is.  What's the OED got to say about that?!

johnmusacha

Yes, brah.  I think that seems reasonable.  I am autistic actually.  

RonaldJosephCote

                        Johnny give him the link. I think he's gonna hurt somebody.

Ubik42

I am not following this latest argument. I have no idea which side is what. Something about textbooks, I gather.

Babytigrrr

Not sure either Ubik42 but the OP is about Google and not textbooks... and 'To those that mock you with "Why couldn't you Googles that"?'
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I suppose there are three types of people in the world:

  1. ones that try to help
  2. ones that don't
  3. ones that say "Why couldn't you Googles that"?'

So there you have it...

johnmusacha

Ubik, you are right.  There are really two issues being discussed in this thread.  One is:  Is asking a question to people in an internet forum superior to using the google?  (I say yes), and Two:  Is a large university library superior to the google as a source of information?  (I say yes).

The more controversial of the two -- the issue more likely to result in the man on the street arching an eyebrow and muttering "da fuh?" is Issue one.  I still firmly believe that asking a question to people in an internet forum superior is to using the google

If I used the google, that is just one singular google.  If I ask the question to people here, that is several, or even several score human beings that will endeavor to answer the question.  That is like googles times X (people) times Y (resources).  A super-google-bot-cyborg-brain.  Johnny Depp in the upcoming film Transcendance.  The Lawnmower man, as it were.

Wolfbird

Your preference to asking people here is false. You ask a question and then argue with whomever gives you their answer. It's your personal little trip you're on.

RonaldJosephCote

                    @Ubik;   I think I figured out what the're talking about. If you google textbook, it takes you to the textbook depository in Texas, where JFK was shot. Inside one of the books, is a map which unlocks the treasure to finding out WHO SHOT JFK. The people on this thread beleive that the Warren Commission's Findings are wrong, and Google has the right answer. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to storm Texas at midnight tonight, and find that book. As allways, should you or any poster of chess.com be caught or killed, Erik will disavow any knowledge of your actions. Good Luck Jim.

Ubik42
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

                    @Ubik;   I think I figured out what the're talking about. If you google textbook, it takes you to the textbook depository in Texas, where JFK was shot. Inside one of the books, is a map which unlocks the treasure to finding out WHO SHOT JFK. The people on this thread beleive that the Warren Commission's Findings are wrong, and Google has the right answer. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to storm Texas at midnight tonight, and find that book. As allways, should you or any poster of chess.com be caught or killed, Erik will disavow any knowledge of your actions. Good Luck Jim.

lol

Ubik42
johnmusacha wrote:

Ubik, you are right.  There are really two issues being discussed in this thread.  One is:  Is asking a question to people in an internet forum superior to using the google?  (I say yes), and Two:  Is a large university library superior to the google as a source of information?  (I say yes).

The more controversial of the two -- the issue more likely to result in the man on the street arching an eyebrow and muttering "da fuh?" is Issue one.  I still firmly believe that asking a question to people in an internet forum superior is to using the google. 

If I used the google, that is just one singular google.  If I ask the question to people here, that is several, or even several score human beings that will endeavor to answer the question.  That is like googles times X (people) times Y (resources).  A super-google-bot-cyborg-brain.  Johnny Depp in the upcoming film Transcendance.  The Lawnmower man, as it were.

Easy proof that google is superior to asking on a forum - You go on an internet forum and ask your question, and it gets debated by the few people that respond. I use google and it leads me to a large number of links, including the very forum you asked your question in.

Ta da.

Is it better than a library? Depends. Alot of the library sources, or their equivalent, is googlable. 

Suppose I am sitting here idly wondering how the town "Truth or Consequences, New Mexico" got its name. if my option is the library, I am probably not going to bother driving out to the university library for that, because combining road travel with walking is probably 1.5 hour round trip not counting how much time it would take to find the info. So I wont bother.

On the other hand, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_or_Consequences,_New_Mexico gives me the answer in seconds. "Originally named Hot Springs, the city changed its name to Truth or Consequences, the title of a popular NBC radio program. In 1950, Ralph Edwards, the host of the radio quiz show Truth or Consequences, announced that he would air the program from the first town that renamed itself after the show. Hot Springs won the honor. Edwards visited the town during the first weekend of May for the next fifty years. "

Its not just thats its faster, its that the research would never have been done otherwise. I also wonder if a library would have that information. I seriously doubt it, but I suppose its possible.

The internet is bigger than a library. While you will find things in a library that arent on the internet, the reverse is also true.

The internet is up to date. Something that happened last week is already old news on the internet. How long until the library gets up to date information?

Also, imagine, if you will, all the people who curtrently use google instead go running off to the library everytime they have a question. Traffic jam? What will your university library look like with 50,000 people in there every day?

Google takes knowledge out of the hands of an elite cult and brings it to the masses. It is the democratization of knowledge. 

In almost all ways, google is superior. Just the elite specialist who cannot find some particular piece of knowledge on the internet has an advantage with the library, and this number falls every year as more and more resources go online.

Irontiger
Wolfbird wrote:

Your preference to asking people here is false. You ask a question and then argue with whomever gives you their answer. It's your personal little trip you're on.

I suspected that as soon as #1, but assumed good faith nonetheless for an extended amount of trolling.

Senator-Blutarsky

But who shot JR, Ronald ? It's pretty clear the truth was covered up.

ivandh

Don't believe what the google tells you, NASA faked the shooting on the moon.

RonaldJosephCote

                 Remember if you spoke too loud in a library, some librarian would go,  SSssssss.   On the internet, you can talk as loud as you want. Let me try that again. YOU CAN TALK AS LOUD AS YOU WANT.

Senator-Blutarsky

"you might think you're loud ronald, but the capsaroff!"

RonaldJosephCote

                Aahahahahaa   good one buddy!      To your request in post 361; My mother usce to watch Dallas with a passion. It was good entertainment. She passed away, before the new series with the next generation of the Uwing family. My god, their kids are just as disgusting as JR was. I was poking around one day, and happened to catch the end of 1 episode. Bobby is at JR's grave, and it was a private eye who shot JR because he asked him too.  Who could of seen that one coming??

johnmusacha

@Ubik, I'll quickly respond and come back later to elaborate if I may,

1.  People usually don't argue over factual questions asked on a forum.  Some will answer out of personal knowledge, some will look up the information somehow and answer, some will intentionally give a wrong answer, some will joke, and some will say "why couldn't you googles it?"  

No arguments are likely to break out if you asked the question about Truth or Consequences NM on an internet forum.  

Sometimes the arguments that do break out are instructive, however.  As a part time actor sometimes I use industry-related fora.  If I asked "What are the most significant films that James Caan's son has acted in?"  I'm sure that a few arguments would break out, but the content of which would present key facts and new issues that I never would have thought of if I just looked up a Scott Caan filmography on line.

2.  Internet vs. big library.  Your question of Truth or consequences NM pre-determines the result that the googlebot/Wikipedia is the better route.  That is because, with all due respect, the etymology of the name of some stupid New Mexico village is a "silly topic."  I will concede that the internets is a far superior resource on popular culture facts or silly trivia, a la "Who shot first?  Han or Greedo?"  Who the hell would go to the Wiedner library at Harvard for that?  However, for more serious issues, like ones that take countless hours of research and thought to even get a handle on, the internet still cannot give more than simple 3d-grade level blurbs of factoids.

Ubik42

Your first point doesnt really address the issue I brought up. When I google something, one of the results I will get is the question you posted in a forum on the topic. So all of your answers you got in the forum are a tiny subset of the answers I get googling.

Your next response restates what I said. It depends on the issue, and on how fast you want a response.  The type of issue you can only find in a library is not likely to be the type of thing most people are going to argue over.

You can test this. Find some issue only obtainable in a university library. The odds are 1) this will be a difficult task, and 2) the issue will be of a remote academic interest to a few specialists.

On the other hand, finding stuff thats on the internet and not in a library is trivial. For example, if you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea and click on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimea_crisis most of the stuff on that page has likely not found its way to your local library yet. if some has, it will be superceded by what happens tommorow.

So it depends on the purpose. The wise researcher uses what is best for the task.

johnmusacha

You don't go to the library for news.  I'm sure you know this.

Secondly, the type of issue you can only find in the library is very much the type of issue over which people argue the most.

Thirdly, there is nothing wrong with difficult tasks.

Fourthly, I have no idea what you are saying when you talk about googling the question I posted.  Furthermore, who is to say the people I ask aren't all using the internet for reasearch themselves?  Then you have the multi-core, super cyborg brain.  Much better.

Irontiger
johnmusacha wrote:

Secondly, the type of issue you can only find in the library is very much the type of issue over which people argue the most.

You should avoid the blatant stupidities if you still want to be fed.