Okay, I guess that makes sense though. But as the saying goes "Noone ever saved a game by resigning." I think it was Savielly Tartakower that noted that.
When should a pro resign?
Okay, I guess that makes sense though. But as the saying goes "Noone ever saved a game by resigning." I think it was Savielly Tartakower that noted that.
I had an opponent in an OTB tournament game do this (or rather, not do this). After a tense 8-10 moves where I had about a minute left, we'd simplified into a rook and pawn endgame. He thought I could force a winning rook exchange, and during my turn, he suddenly tips his king over and shakes my hand. I was so surprised I automatically blurted out "are you sure?" which he told me later was pretty annoying but he knew I didn't mean it as a taunt.
Anyway the position was roughly equal, but my moves were less obvious plus the time shortage he may have even had chances to win. So yeah it's good advice. I'm sure every level of player would have a similar story after playing long enough.
Okay, I guess that makes sense though. But as the saying goes "Noone ever saved a game by resigning." I think it was Savielly Tartakower that noted that.
I had an opponent in an OTB tournament game do this (or rather, not do this). After a tense 8-10 moves where I had about a minute left, we'd simplified into a rook and pawn endgame. He thought I could force a winning rook exchange, and during my turn, he suddenly tips his king over and shakes my hand. I was so surprised I automatically blurted out "are you sure?" which he told me later was pretty annoying but he knew I didn't mean it as a taunt.
Anyway the position was roughly equal, but my moves were less obvious plus the time shortage he may have even had chances to win. So yeah it's good advice. I'm sure every level of player would have a similar story after playing long enough.
Ouch - that is a strange thing to do in your opponent's time pressure!
Yeah it's stuff like that that can happen. What are you rated OTB?
I find it interesting that in no other sport/game can you simply 'give up'. All other sports require play until the end, and this may be for the benefit of the spectators.
Apart from ...
In boxing, a fighter's corner will sometimes throw in the towel.
In snooker, players will often concede the frame if their opponent has a virtually unassailable lead.
In golf, it is common to concede the putt if it looks very easy.
Okay, I guess that makes sense though. But as the saying goes "Noone ever saved a game by resigning." I think it was Savielly Tartakower that noted that.
I had an opponent in an OTB tournament game do this (or rather, not do this). After a tense 8-10 moves where I had about a minute left, we'd simplified into a rook and pawn endgame. He thought I could force a winning rook exchange, and during my turn, he suddenly tips his king over and shakes my hand. I was so surprised I automatically blurted out "are you sure?" which he told me later was pretty annoying but he knew I didn't mean it as a taunt.
Anyway the position was roughly equal, but my moves were less obvious plus the time shortage he may have even had chances to win. So yeah it's good advice. I'm sure every level of player would have a similar story after playing long enough.
Ouch - that is a strange thing to do in your opponent's time pressure!
Yeah it's stuff like that that can happen. What are you rated OTB?
Heh, no kidding, but in his defense he thought after the exchange I queen in a few moves. To him it seemed completely lost.
I'd rather give my FIDE one because it's the higher of the two so it makes me look better
lol
It's 1762 USCF and 1875 FIDE. The USCF is probably not accurate due to not playing in many tournaments after getting better. The FIDE is probably not accurate either due to the fact that I recently got it so after say 50 games it will be more accurate.
So who knows how good I am (better, worse?)... but there are the numbers anyway.
Maybe if a pro resign the other player could continue to play for both sides to show the spectators the winning combo (if there is one)
FIFA (the controlling committee for football/soccer) is proposing to take a leaf out of FIDE's (the controlling committee for chess) book. It is considering a rule change such that, under certain circumstances, when one side has a 9-point lead, the match is declared over.
No, the same refers to draws.
However, sometimes funny situations occur. At Aeroflot-2010 Nepomniatchi and Andriasian have just agreed to a draw in a complicated position. I could understand why, so I asked my friend Tomashevsky (2700+) about it (the guys were too busy analyzing). After looking at the position, he shrugged and said: "Ok, let's go and humbly ask the MASTERS to explain!" 
I find it interesting that in no other sport/game can you simply 'give up'. All other sports require play until the end, and this may be for the benefit of the spectators.
Apart from ...
In boxing, a fighter's corner will sometimes throw in the towel.
In snooker, players will often concede the frame if their opponent has a virtually unassailable lead.
In golf, it is common to concede the putt if it looks very easy.
a) Conceding in golf is different, as it is not giving up the match.
b) You know what happens to boxer's who throw in the towel? They get booed out of the ring.
No, the same refers to draws.
However, sometimes funny situations occur. At Aeroflot-2010 Nepomniatchi and Andriasian have just agreed to a draw in a complicated position. I could understand why, so I asked my friend Tomashevsky (2700+) about it (the guys were too busy analyzing). After looking at the position, he shrugged and said: "Ok, let's go and humbly ask the MASTERS to explain!"
I was reading the other day how quite a few years ago, one player needed a draw to win the tournament, and the other wanted a draw to improve his rating (as he was lower rated and did not have a chance to win the tournament with the game to play), so they sat down and agreed to a draw without playing a move. The TD awarded no points to either player.
FIFA (the controlling committee for football/soccer) is proposing to take a leaf out of FIDE's (the controlling committee for chess) book. It is considering a rule change such that, under certain circumstances, when one side has a 9-point lead, the match is declared over.
Which never happens anyway.
I don't see why they would do that because spectators for the winning team are deprived of an enjoyable match.
FIFA (the controlling committee for football/soccer) is proposing to take a leaf out of FIDE's (the controlling committee for chess) book. It is considering a rule change such that, under certain circumstances, when one side has a 9-point lead, the match is declared over.
vowles_23 wrote: Which never happens anyway.
I don't see why they would do that because spectators for the winning team are deprived of an enjoyable match.
This rule was to be for school football (i.e. soccer).
9-goal leads don't happen very often in the professional game, but Joe Payne scored 10 goals in his side's 12-0 victory.
FIFA (the controlling committee for football/soccer) is proposing to take a leaf out of FIDE's (the controlling committee for chess) book. It is considering a rule change such that, under certain circumstances, when one side has a 9-point lead, the match is declared over.
vowles_23 wrote: Which never happens anyway.
I don't see why they would do that because spectators for the winning team are deprived of an enjoyable match.
This rule was to be for school football (i.e. soccer).
9-goal leads don't happen very often in the professional game, but Joe Payne scored 10 goals in his side's 12-0 victory.
FIFA does not control school soccer?
I find it interesting that in no other sport/game can you simply 'give up'. All other sports require play until the end, and this may be for the benefit of the spectators.
artfizz wrote:Apart from ...
In boxing, a fighter's corner will sometimes throw in the towel.
In snooker, players will often concede the frame if their opponent has a virtually unassailable lead.
In golf, it is common to concede the putt if it looks very easy.
vowles_23 wrote:
a) Conceding in golf is different, as it is not giving up the match.
b) You know what happens to boxer's who throw in the towel? They get booed out of the ring.
The snooker and golf situations looks directly comparable to the chess situation to me: a player concedes a frame/ a hole/ a game - but not the whole match/tournament - unless this happens to be the crucial game as far as the points are concerned.
If the position is all but lost and the game is going south, then the best thing to do is resign and save some face. As long as there is still hope in a game, fight it out and try to get out of whatever jam you're in. You never know when your opponent is going to blunder the game away. It only takes one move to turn the tables.
By conceding a hole in golf you are saying that I can pot that easily, I won't bother.
Isn't it your opponent who allows you to do so? Because he knows you can pot it easily and just wants to get on with his life. Exactly like resigning in chess should be.
By conceding a hole in golf you are saying that I can pot that easily, I won't bother.
Isn't it your opponent who allows you to do so? Because he knows you can pot it easily and just wants to get on with his life. Exactly like resigning in chess should be.
Yes it is your opponent that allows you to concede.
Personally, I don't see the point. If you can pot it easily, it shouldn't take long. But I guess it is an acknoledgement of your skill.
Yeah, that's all it boils down to, respect. You're just saying I know you can do it, let's get on with it.
Interesting discussion here about conceding putts in the early part of the match - then requiring them near the end.
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"So in chess it is up to your opponent to play poor moves."
It doesn't seem to me that you understood what I said.
I am saying that you can only make a comeback from a losing position if your opponent doesn't play as well as you from then on.
Sure it is a different thing when, maybe comparable to playing with 16 people on the field rather than 18 (if you are a piece down), but the principle is the same.
Ok then, let me put it this way. In a quiet position if you're losing fairly badly, lets say down a knight, your opponent can make literally 100 inaccuracies and errors as long as they don't blunder material. At the same time you can play "best" moves every time (so by comparison your moves are consistently better) but because you're losing so much this doesn't matter anymore.
That's how a player 300-400 points below you (or me) can score the odd upset against you (or me). After one small slip, if we lose a knight, it doesn't matter that 49/50 of our moves are better (after all we have better technique and understanding) it's that one move that essentially decided the game.
This is also why consistency is a huge part of overall chess strength.
Okay, I can see where you are coming from, but I think that 100 inaccuracies would lose the position. Or maybe not. I've never seen 100 inaccuracies been made before.
Hehe, I just meant in theory. Instead of taking a while thinking up a clever example, take K+Q vs king, you could draw it out 49 moves... what I mean is inaccuracies that don't change the evaluation.
The endgame saying "do a little as possible as slowly as you can" came from the fact that a superior side often has what I call "infinite tempo" to set up whatever it is that needs setting up. The saying points to the fact that if you take a long time maneuvering before continuing the action, your opponent can get confused or relax their move order and suddenly although they had a defensive position 10 moves ago, they're a bit off balance now.
It's also useful in match play to make your opponent suffer psychologically, letting them play out a grueling defense for a few hours.