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Why is it STILL possible for people to find us on the interactive map???
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Jun 26, 2010
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#123
I don't understand Art's obsession with defending something that can easily be changed in order to make this place more comfortable for most of us. Just because Chess.com CAN do such things doesn't mean they should if the members are uncomfortable with it.
Personally I'm quite fed up with the insistence on this map and I'm tired of expressing it. Back to square one.
Jun 26, 2010
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#124
AfafBouardi wrote:
I don't understand Art's obsession with defending something that can easily be changed in order to make this place more comfortable for most of us.
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Jun 27, 2010
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#125
AfafBouardi wrote:
I don't understand Art's obsession with defending something that can easily be changed in order to make this place more comfortable for most of us. Just because Chess.com CAN do such things doesn't mean they should if the members are uncomfortable with it.
Personally I'm quite fed up with the insistence on this map and I'm tired of expressing it. Back to square one.
1. 'easily be changed' - You're an expert on web coding, all of a sudden?
2. 'most of us' - I count 7 (maybe 8?) posters against the interactive map; 3 for it; and 24 who didn't commit themselves. That's either a 20% mandate or a 7/2,000,000 mandate.
Jun 27, 2010
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#126
3 people for deciding that my location should be disclosed to them? hmm.
I guess the point here is that those of us who disagree should just stop using this site.
Jun 27, 2010
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#127
And yes, I know enough about web coding to know that map can be easily removed.
Jun 27, 2010
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#128
AfafBouardi wrote:
3 people for deciding that my location should be disclosed to them? hmm.
I guess the point here is that those of us who disagree should just stop using this site.
That's one way of interpreting it. Another way is: 3 people who are not concerned about anyone knowing where anyone's ISP is located.
Stopping using the site is one option. There are several alternatives: use an IP anonymiser; keep the rest of your personal data concealed on this and every other site you visit; continue discussing your concerns in a constructive and open-minded way.
Jun 27, 2010
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#129
AfafBouardi wrote: And yes, I know enough about web coding to know that map can be easily removed.
You're proposing throwing the whole map away since 7 people don't like it? I bet more people than that don't like chess on this site. 
artfizz wrote:
AfafBouardi wrote: And yes, I know enough about web coding to know that map can be easily removed.
You're proposing throwing the whole map away since 7 people don't like it? I bet more people than that don't like chess on this site.
Seven out of the people who have given their opinion. The number would be far larger if more people knew about this, and larger still if they all knew what an IP address was. I'm also willing to bet that hardly any would take the time to opt-in, were that the system in place.
Also: Yes, it would be fairly easy to code such an option.
If this is indeed a mistake, and it has still not been fixed, then it's perfectly acceptable to draw attention to it until it has; from the site owner's response in this thread, it is clear the matter had mistakenly been considered solved.
artfizz wrote:
AfafBouardi wrote: And yes, I know enough about web coding to know that map can be easily removed.
You're proposing throwing the whole map away since 7 people don't like it? I bet more people than that don't like chess on this site.
artfizz, I don't understand your attitude. Clearly, it never was an issue of throwing away the map, only not to locate those members on it that do not want to be located. Is this so difficult to understand, or are you just playing the devil's advocate? Moreover, it is pretty clear that the admins have made a mistake (see post #2); I really wish they would respond to let us know whether they will correct the problem or not.
Jun 27, 2010
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#132
AfafBouardi wrote: And yes, I know enough about web coding to know that map can be easily removed.
artfizz wrote: You're proposing throwing the whole map away since 7 people don't like it? I bet more people than that don't like chess on this site.
Phobetrix wrote: artfizz, I don't understand your attitude. Clearly, it never was an issue of throwing away the map, only not to locate those members on it that do not want to be located. Is this so difficult to understand, or are you just playing the devil's advocate? Moreover, it is pretty clear that the admins have made a mistake (see post #2); I really wish they would respond to let us know whether they will correct the problem or not.
Make your mind up.
Jun 27, 2010
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#133
Xhu wrote: Seven out of the people who have given their opinion. The number would be far larger if more people knew about this, and larger still if they all knew what an IP address was. I'm also willing to bet that hardly any would take the time to opt-in, were that the system in place.
What about the 24 who posted but were not concerned enough to support the call for a change? I make that: 7 in favour of the change; 3 + 24 =27 who didn't express support for the change.
Also: Yes, it would be fairly easy to code such an option.
The country setting is used for the World League. The International option is used to express various stances. If you add another country setting to say: Hide me - what is the impact on other parts of the site? The change is not trivial.
If this is indeed a mistake, and it has still not been fixed, then it's perfectly acceptable to draw attention to it until it has; from the site owner's response in this thread, it is clear the matter had mistakenly been considered solved.
I'm not trying to stifle debate. I merely think that no strong case has been made for changing the map.
artfizz wrote:
AfafBouardi wrote: And yes, I know enough about web coding to know that map can be easily removed.
artfizz wrote: You're proposing throwing the whole map away since 7 people don't like it? I bet more people than that don't like chess on this site.
Phobetrix wrote: artfizz, I don't understand your attitude. Clearly, it never was an issue of throwing away the map, only not to locate those members on it that do not want to be located. Is this so difficult to understand, or are you just playing the devil's advocate? Moreover, it is pretty clear that the admins have made a mistake (see post #2); I really wish they would respond to let us know whether they will correct the problem or not.
Make your mind up.
You are not referring to my posts, are you? The issue here, from the very beginning, has been to allow those not wanting to show their location to have their privacy. You are diverting the whole question into a direction that was definitely not intended originally. That's what devil's advocates tend to do 
artfizz wrote:
Xhu wrote: Seven out of the people who have given their opinion. The number would be far larger if more people knew about this, and larger still if they all knew what an IP address was. I'm also willing to bet that hardly any would take the time to opt-in, were that the system in place.
What about the 24 who posted but were not concerned enough to support the call for a change? I make that: 7 in favour of the change; 3 + 24 =27 who didn't express support for the change.
Also: Yes, it would be fairly easy to code such an option.
The country setting is used for the World League. The International option is used to express various stances. If you add another country setting to say: Hide me - what is the impact on other parts of the site? The change is not trivial.
If this is indeed a mistake, and it has still not been fixed, then it's perfectly acceptable to draw attention to it until it has; from the site owner's response in this thread, it is clear the matter had mistakenly been considered solved.
I'm not trying to stifle debate. I merely think that no strong case has been made for changing the map.
The "strong case" does not come from a majority vote here. My view is that even if only a single member wants to hide his/her location (for whatever reason) it is in his/her right, and should be made possible.
Jun 27, 2010
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#136
Phobetrix wrote:
artfizz wrote:
Xhu wrote: Seven out of the people who have given their opinion. The number would be far larger if more people knew about this, and larger still if they all knew what an IP address was. I'm also willing to bet that hardly any would take the time to opt-in, were that the system in place.
What about the 24 who posted but were not concerned enough to support the call for a change? I make that: 7 in favour of the change; 3 + 24 =27 who didn't express support for the change.
Also: Yes, it would be fairly easy to code such an option.
The country setting is used for the World League. The International option is used to express various stances. If you add another country setting to say: Hide me - what is the impact on other parts of the site? The change is not trivial.
If this is indeed a mistake, and it has still not been fixed, then it's perfectly acceptable to draw attention to it until it has; from the site owner's response in this thread, it is clear the matter had mistakenly been considered solved.
I'm not trying to stifle debate. I merely think that no strong case has been made for changing the map.
The "strong case" does not come from a majority vote here. My view is that even if only a single member wants to hide his/her location (for whatever reason) it is in his/her right, and should be made possible.
You're just wasting your time, some people are impossible. I hope the staff isn't as difficult.
Jun 27, 2010
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#137
Phobetrix wrote: You are not referring to my posts, are you? The issue here, from the very beginning, has been to allow those not wanting to show their location to have their privacy. You are diverting the whole question into a direction that was definitely not intended originally. That's what devil's advocates tend to do
It was the Original Poster who, in a recent post, who first mentioned "that map can be easily removed" - not me.
Quite frankly, I virtually never look at the map: it's too slow to load and I'm not particularly interested in seeing who's online or approximately where there are located.
I admire the technical effort that went into creating it and I'm dismayed at the thought of such a cool feature being discarded on a whim.
artfizz wrote:
Phobetrix wrote: You are not referring to my posts, are you? The issue here, from the very beginning, has been to allow those not wanting to show their location to have their privacy. You are diverting the whole question into a direction that was definitely not intended originally. That's what devil's advocates tend to do
It was the Original Poster who, in a recent post, who first mentioned "that map can be easily removed" - not me.
Quite frankly, I virtually never look at the map: it's too slow to load and I'm not particularly interested in seeing who's online or approximately where there are located.
I admire the technical effort that went into creating it and I'm dismayed at the thought of such a cool feature being discarded on a whim.
I completely agree! No reason at all to discard it. Just make it possible to hide those few who don't want to be located
Jun 27, 2010
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#139
Phobetrix wrote: The "strong case" does not come from a majority vote here. My view is that even if only a single member wants to hide his/her location (for whatever reason) it is in his/her right, and should be made possible.
How does the 'strong case' for this change differ from other 'strong cases' where one or more members want to hide various details because of their 'right to privacy'? e.g.
- online status
- profile
- past games
- viewing a live game in progress
Jun 27, 2010
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#140
Phobetrix wrote: I completely agree! No reason at all to discard it. Just make it possible to hide those few who don't want to be located
I've no issue with that; as long as this is just another feature request alongside the hundreds of others that are suggested.
What I do take exception to is the emotional baggage (i.e. that this is a matter of life or death!) that this proposal is dressed up in, in an attempt to help it jump the queue.
ivandh... i know a lot about you.I know about your rotine. I know a lot of things. Mmmm. I just dont know about openings and tha chess stuff.