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prawnydagrate
bigD521 wrote:

What you say about the fifty / 75 rule is true, but over the board in real life. It does not apply on chess .com  or other sites that I am aware of. Along with providing notation online sites also appropriately ends the game automatically for you. While the 50 move rule does apply, you never make a claim, this site does it automatically. Further more you speak of BOT BOT, yet I am unable to find this game. The one which I believe you may be referring to  (apologies, My mind is a bit fuzzy and I m going off of memory which is short) round 65 moves on the 23rd. That game ended in a draw due to a stalemate if it is the one you are referring to. If it is another please due provide a link. Also the 50 move rule meas 50 moves per side, or 100 moves total.

 

I forgot to save the game to my archive, if that's where you looked

RIbozo

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bigD521

I looked at the list of completed games under your name.

dsgarland24
Arisktotle wrote:
dsgarland24 wrote:
Ok… the draw/stalemate rules on this app are (beep) (beep). If you’re
beaten take your L like a (beep) man and move on. The compute does that
(beep) and so do people. I was up like 10 pieces to two and the guy floated
around forever until it said it was a draw. That’s not a (beep) draw. If I’m up
by a million when time runs out in any other sport in the world I win. So
kiss my (beep) computer. I win. End of story.

You never understood chess. It is not a capitalist game with the goal of accumulating money, property or material. It's just about the single candy, the fate of the king. Go back to chess school and relearn the basics

I've deleted my comment.  Chess clearly isn't for me.  Would you mind deleting your response with the quote.  This isn't the place for that... I shouldn't post when I'm angry.

prawnydagrate
dsgarland24 wrote:
Arisktotle wrote:
dsgarland24 wrote:
Ok… the draw/stalemate rules on this app are (beep) (beep). If you’re
beaten take your L like a (beep) man and move on. The compute does that
(beep) and so do people. I was up like 10 pieces to two and the guy floated
around forever until it said it was a draw. That’s not a (beep) draw. If I’m up
by a million when time runs out in any other sport in the world I win. So
kiss my (beep) computer. I win. End of story.

You never understood chess. It is not a capitalist game with the goal of accumulating money, property or material. It's just about the single candy, the fate of the king. Go back to chess school and relearn the basics

I've deleted my comment.  Chess clearly isn't for me.  Would you mind deleting your response with the quote.  This isn't the place for that... I shouldn't post when I'm angry.

 

It's great that you realized that your post was merely a rant out of anger, but you can improve if you're willing to. Remember that when your opponent only has just their king, you should try to make every move a check (without hanging any pieces) until you accidentally checkmate (unless you have some crazy mate in 9 planned)

prawnydagrate
prawnydagrate wrote:
dsgarland24 wrote:
Arisktotle wrote:
dsgarland24 wrote:
Ok… the draw/stalemate rules on this app are (beep) (beep). If you’re
beaten take your L like a (beep) man and move on. The compute does that
(beep) and so do people. I was up like 10 pieces to two and the guy floated
around forever until it said it was a draw. That’s not a (beep) draw. If I’m up
by a million when time runs out in any other sport in the world I win. So
kiss my (beep) computer. I win. End of story.

You never understood chess. It is not a capitalist game with the goal of accumulating money, property or material. It's just about the single candy, the fate of the king. Go back to chess school and relearn the basics

I've deleted my comment.  Chess clearly isn't for me.  Would you mind deleting your response with the quote.  This isn't the place for that... I shouldn't post when I'm angry.

 

It's great that you realized that your post was merely a rant out of anger, but you can improve if you're willing to. Remember that when your opponent only has just their king, you should try to make every move a check (without hanging any pieces) until you accidentally checkmate (unless you have some crazy mate in 9 planned)

 

Just a tip, in this position:

You could've played queen c7 check, king e8 by black (forced), rook f7, knight d3 check by black (your opponent is now unable to stop checkmate because their king is trapped), king d2, and now black has no checks so wherever the knight goes, queen e7 is checkmate (queen d7 is also mate).

Instead, you trapped the king and captured black's only remaining mobile piece, which is why the game ended in a stalemate.

Even in this position you could've played this instead of taking the knight:

Also, the reason why the knight goes to c6 here is because there are two checkmates (queen d7 and queen e7) and the knight can only stop one of them. In this case it stops Qe7#.

bigD521
Arisktotle wrote:
bigD521 wrote:

When a person captures a pawn/piece, or makes a pawn move the counter is reset. What is it reset to? 0, and the 1st is the next persons move, or was either of those the 1st move?

Obviously, the next 50-moves series without capture or pawn move does not start with a capture or pawn move. So the reset for the 50-M counter is to 0 and not 1.

Which is different for the repetition rule because it is about positions not moves. Once you play a capture or pawn move you can no longer repeat any earlier position but the new position can be the first one for a different triple repetition!

Thank you for your reply, appreciated.

Prior to your response, I was going to ask again until it occured to me how to prove which was correct. Once I did that, the answer became obvious.

Nerd-Man

Repetitious check has saved me lots of times, and the best way to look out for it is when you have either a queen or at least three good minor pieces and the opponents king is at the edge of the board.

Va12un
Yes I agree
swarminglocusts

When behind in material trade pawns not pieces. 

BDKiesel

I, too, hate it when this happens... but rules are rules and as long as they're the exact same for everybody then that seems fair to me. The one I hate the most is a timed game when it's just you and your queen vs only him and you run him around the board until your timer runs out. I was a US Marine and in my head I like to picture what this scenario would look like on an actual battlefield... "excuse me, enemy, I know you guys have crushed my entire army and then ran me around from building to building but now time is up!" Hahaha!! But again, rules are rules and it's caused me to learn how to quickly box that king in and then chop his head off! I love this awesome game!!

rickclimbcaddy
When "losing" I'll always play for the draw if I think it's possible. It annoys the chess divas that demand resignation but hey, if you can't capture the king then you're not a winner.
ClassicMind

It is possible, good examples are bishop and knight if the attacking side has to find the mate over the board. Another one is queen versus rook when the side with the rook knows how to play the position and the side with the queen has to find the solution over the board.

Arisktotle
ClassicMind wrote:

It is possible, good examples are bishop and knight if the attacking side has to find the mate over the board. Another one is queen versus rook when the side with the rook knows how to play the position and the side with the queen has to find the solution over the board.

That is precisely what I wrote in the last line of post #12.

funtothink

I see all the talk of 50/75 rules. Good to know about the 75 one, I didn't know. What about the 100 move trophy/achievement you get on here.. is that just a fun thing or part of some rules? I got it once... Those are exhausting games lol

Arisktotle

Chess.com would love to see its trophies included in the FIDE rules but I'm afraid they are not now. When they ever do, I'll quit playing chess and switch to a civilized sport like soccer.

The real reason for having 75M and 5R drawing rules is to satisfy the digital chess services. It guarantees that games will end and can't be trolled with endlessly by players with time increments. The math people will like it as well. They hate things that won't stop for all kinds of reasons, for instance "what is the result of a game that, based on observed player behaviour is unlikely to stop ever?" You'd say it's a draw and that is the wrong answer. In math, things that don't end simply don't end and that is the only score you'll ever get. So you nominate a break off point instead and that is the 75M rule.