Two bishops vs. two knights

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Huckebein

Do you think two bishops against two knights is a decisive advantage in an endgame with three pawns black and three pawns white?

MarvinTheRobot

I think it mostly depends on the position. The value of pieces vary with different pawn placements and scenarios.

1RedKnight99

It depends. If the position is more open, the bishops are better.

If the position is more closed,the knights are better.

johnmusacha

How closed could the position possibly be with just 3 pawns each though?

1RedKnight99

If the pawns are locked together.

johnmusacha

Could you please show me a diagramme?

1RedKnight99

johnmusacha

Thanks.  This is also a position where the pawns are on "one side of the board."  What D'Vivre said (also posited by Silman) is that Knights are clearly superior in this position.

Can you draw up a diagramme please of locked pawns, 3 on each side, with pawns on both sides of the board now?

1RedKnight99
johnmusacha wrote:

Thanks.  This is also a position where the pawns are on "one side of the board."  What D'Vivre said (also posited by Silman) is that Knights are clearly superior in this position.

Can you draw up a diagramme please of locked pawns, 3 on each side, with pawns on both sides of the board now?

johnmusacha

Whoa...the thread is about 3 pawns for black, 3 for white.  Not 3 each on each side.  That's 6 pawns each.

1RedKnight99

Oops, new diagram. This position is slightly more open.

AndyClifton

@ Huckebein:  Well, it's certainly pretty strong, as seen in that Botvinnik-Bronstein endgame from the 1951 match (where Black was even a pawn up, yet lost).

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A single knight can certainly be a lot better than a single bishop, but with 2 Bs vs 2 Ns the hoppers will definitely have their work cut out for them. Wink

JoeTheV

In a must win situation, I would choose the bishops.

AndyClifton

ever the controversialist...