Anyone else prefer to play as Black?

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myusername456456

although I like playing the Caro-Kann

darkunorthodox88
Optimissed wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

yes, this sentiment is most often found among class players. Beginners are sufficiently weak that the 1st move advantage can lead to far more victories as white (development advantage compounds really well for the white pieces), and experts and masters are sufficiently strong that first move advantage begins to clearly manifest in game statistics.

Not too sure that made sense. Beginners should probably win or lose equally with either colour. Masters win more with white because they prefer playing with white and may put more work into it, on the theory that if they win with white, that holds the balance and any wins with black are a bonus. But you speak as if there's a forced win in chess!

what? at beginner level, white holds a big advantage, because its much easier for white to get an initiative that can blow the black player off the board. All the big knockouts at scholastic level, like 4 move checkmate, fried liver combo etc, happen with the white pieces, and too often black dooesnt know how to adequately defend agaisnt such initiative because they are novices!

your reasoning on master games is a common fallacy. Just because chess is a drawn game doesn not mean white does not have an advantage. By that chain of reasoning 1.e4 a5 is as good as 1.e4 e5.  The latter is clearly superior. White's first move advantage is a real objective thing even if chess is a draw with best play. The fact, most main stream openings show a superior win percentage as white is further stastistical proof of this. It has almost nothing to do with psychology. Sure, masters prefer white, but its not because they prefer white that they score better, its because they score better than they prefer white! that's why getting white in tournaments is such a critical thing in super GM events.

Chuck639
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

yes, this sentiment is most often found among class players. Beginners are sufficiently weak that the 1st move advantage can lead to far more victories as white (development advantage compounds really well for the white pieces), and experts and masters are sufficiently strong that first move advantage begins to clearly manifest in game statistics.

Not too sure that made sense. Beginners should probably win or lose equally with either colour. Masters win more with white because they prefer playing with white and may put more work into it, on the theory that if they win with white, that holds the balance and any wins with black are a bonus. But you speak as if there's a forced win in chess!

what? at beginner level, white holds a big advantage, because its much easier for white to get an initiative that can blow the black player off the board. All the big knockouts at scholastic level, like 4 move checkmate, fried liver combo etc, happen with the white pieces, and too often black dooesnt know how to adequately defend agaisnt such initiative because they are novices!

your reasoning on master games is a common fallacy. Just because chess is a drawn game doesn not mean white does not have an advantage. By that chain of reasoning 1.e4 a5 is as good as 1.e4 e5.  The latter is clearly superior. White's first move advantage is a real objective thing even if chess is a draw with best play. The fact, most main stream openings show a superior win percentage as white is further stastistical proof of this. It has almost nothing to do with psychology. Sure, masters prefer white, but its not because they prefer white that they score better, its because they score better than they prefer white! that's why getting white in tournaments is such a critical thing in super GM events.

I was very entertained with watching chess tournaments this year and it’s very interesting when you have the Armageddon format and the player chooses black being down on time but wins with a draw.

What do you think of the Armageddon format and which colour would you choose?

darkunorthodox88
Chuck639 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

yes, this sentiment is most often found among class players. Beginners are sufficiently weak that the 1st move advantage can lead to far more victories as white (development advantage compounds really well for the white pieces), and experts and masters are sufficiently strong that first move advantage begins to clearly manifest in game statistics.

Not too sure that made sense. Beginners should probably win or lose equally with either colour. Masters win more with white because they prefer playing with white and may put more work into it, on the theory that if they win with white, that holds the balance and any wins with black are a bonus. But you speak as if there's a forced win in chess!

what? at beginner level, white holds a big advantage, because its much easier for white to get an initiative that can blow the black player off the board. All the big knockouts at scholastic level, like 4 move checkmate, fried liver combo etc, happen with the white pieces, and too often black dooesnt know how to adequately defend agaisnt such initiative because they are novices!

your reasoning on master games is a common fallacy. Just because chess is a drawn game doesn not mean white does not have an advantage. By that chain of reasoning 1.e4 a5 is as good as 1.e4 e5.  The latter is clearly superior. White's first move advantage is a real objective thing even if chess is a draw with best play. The fact, most main stream openings show a superior win percentage as white is further stastistical proof of this. It has almost nothing to do with psychology. Sure, masters prefer white, but its not because they prefer white that they score better, its because they score better than they prefer white! that's why getting white in tournaments is such a critical thing in super GM events.

I was very entertained with watching chess tournaments this year and it’s very interesting when you have the Armageddon format and the player chooses black being down on time but wins with a draw.

What do you think of the Armageddon format and which colour would you choose?

i honestly dont know. i may very well prefer black actually, but that's a style thing.

Camilleria

I feel the same and I understand what you mean. 

Black is actually my favourite colour in general because of how it makes me feel. Black is strong, dominant and mysterious, yet simple and classy/elegant. It can boost your self esteem.

The colour white makes me feel vulnerable, and exposed, and even though I'm a newbie, I do notice that I make more errors when playing with white than black. Our eyes are the window to the mind.....  

mld_meridius
DaBabysBurner wrote:

I'm enjoying when black plays e4 now after learning the Alekhine but not so happy if he plays d4 + nf3 as I don't have a response to that yet really

I'd rather respond to d4, you have the dutch, nimxo indian, benoni, and a ton of fun openings.

 

ChampoftheBepoCamp

French defense!!! Black wins!!

DasBurner
maxdepaul wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

I'm enjoying when black plays e4 now after learning the Alekhine but not so happy if he plays d4 + nf3 as I don't have a response to that yet really

I'd rather respond to d4, you have the dutch, nimxo indian, benoni, and a ton of fun openings.

 

you can't play any of those against d4 + nf3 except maybe Dutch which I classify as a dubious opening

ChampoftheBepoCamp

But dutch strong... Dutch very good engine fine and me like

mpaetz

     White starts out with the initiative, and black must respond to white's moves. For inexperienced players, it is easier to see what the opponent is doing and come up with an answer than it is to figure out what to do on your own. So many players feel more comfortable playing black. Also, black needs to know one defense to 1.e4 and one to 1.d4 to get going in almost all of their games, but white must be prepared to meet all of the many possible defenses to their choice of first move.

Chuck639
mpaetz wrote:

     White starts out with the initiative, and black must respond to white's moves. For inexperienced players, it is easier to see what the opponent is doing and come up with an answer than it is to figure out what to do on your own. So many players feel more comfortable playing black. Also, black needs to know one defense to 1.e4 and one to 1.d4 to get going in almost all of their games, but white must be prepared to meet all of the many possible defenses to their choice of first move.

You made a very strong point.

Its one of the many reasons why I ditched opening up with e4 as my main opening. Although I throw it in there the odd time.

It’s not that I cannot play it but because I prefer to steer the game on my terms and other openings enable that option.

mohkth
I do..
laurengoodkindchess

Hi! My name is Lauren Goodkind and I’m a respected  chess coach and chess YouTuber based in California: 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP5SPSG_sWSYPjqJYMNwL_Q

 

I prefer playing with white.  I remember when I was in college, one of my classmates preferred playing with the black pieces, like you.  

blueemu
CenterMass51075 wrote:

I think this is normal for lower ranked players.

Nearly all of my best and most interesting games were with the Black pieces.

AKSallam
I don’t think really anybody would care because they have the same amount of advantages different ones but the same Cause
Lud6969
Foolsmateinfinity wrote:

French defense!!! Black wins!!

 YESS facts I Love the french French for the win.btw for some reasons i prefer to be black ONLy if my opponent plays e4 cuz i win most of my games with da french