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Tfree88

here's a game I played, and lost somewhat miserably. I'm not familiar with the opening my opponent used, I was fiddling with a Dutch opening for the first time and didn't really know what I was doing. somewhere in the middle game I feel like we were in a position I think might be described as " sharp. " in analysis there was a whole bunch of possible moves that were all blunders and only a few good ones. there was one point where if I had calculated correctly and made the pawn break I think it would have decided the game in my favor, but I was preoccupied with keeping the queen and dark bishop penned in and miscalculated the position. any thoughts on that game would be most interesting to me and appreciated 

 

 

Tfree88

And is there a better way to post this?

Tfree88

And if this post violates some kind of forum decorum just let me know

nklristic

 

There is a miniature chessboard on top of the place where you type in your post. Click on that and you can just copy that pgn inside. There is one catch though. When you click on post the first time, it will not show. You will have to edit your message and just again click on post. Then it will show.

Tfree88

Awesome, thanks

David_Mary

If I were to guess, it looks like the king safety issue was dealt with better by white.

Tfree88

I didn't think about that, but it's true, I really felt like there was a lot of pressure on D5 pawn because of that, like I said I'm not used to that opening so probably would handle that differently next time

David_Mary

I've really tried to make pawn structure an active thought in my openings, and keeping the pawns around my king unmoved if possible until they have to (or until I decide to keep the knight out, or kick it if it comes in).  That being said, I get the feeling if you and I played 10 games, you'd win at least 9.

nklristic

 

Here you go, I hope you will find it helpful. In general, you did some good things, but you had chances to make your job a lot simpler. Sorry for some spelling mistakes and a bit unorthodox word order here and there, I was doing it as fast as I could. happy.png

Tfree88

Wow that is very helpful, thanks. After I digest this can I shoot u a message if I have any questions?

David_Mary

@nklristic Your suggestion for move 21 looks really good.  Edifying comments.  Thank you for taking the time, as I have gained some nuggets here as well.

Ziryab
Tfree88 wrote:

here's a game I played, and lost somewhat miserably. I'm not familiar with the opening my opponent used, I was fiddling with a Dutch opening for the first time and didn't really know what I was doing. somewhere in the middle game I feel like we were in a position I think might be described as " sharp. " in analysis there was a whole bunch of possible moves that were all blunders and only a few good ones. there was one point where if I had calculated correctly and made the pawn break I think it would have decided the game in my favor, but I was preoccupied with keeping the queen and dark bishop penned in and miscalculated the position. any thoughts on that game would be most interesting to me and appreciated 

 

 

 

Your opponent did not follow any opening, but made a bunch of random and silly moves. You handled the opening well and got into one of the typical Dutch set-ups. However, the Dutch is not an opening you play against anything and everything. It is a defense against the Queen's Pawn Opening.

You have some very useful annotations from another user in this thread, but I would caution you that he appears to have little or no experience with the Dutch. Once you committed yourself to the Dutch set-up with your first move, your g6, Bg7, and O-O were consistent, and in my opinion correct.

In the end you lost because you neglected fundamental contacts--the relationships among the pieces. Beginning with Rd7, you started handing away material as if it was candy and your opponent a masked stranger at the door the last day of October.

@nklristic is correct that you should begin the game advancing a central pawn. Classic opening principles and classis openings will give you better positions and more consistency from game to game. Improvement will come through better board vision--don't give pieces away. Take those your opponents give away.

ebefl

after a7 could black get checkmate quite quickly by sacrificing the knight on h2?

frosty21p
Ziryab wrote:
Tfree88 wrote:

here's a game I played, and lost somewhat miserably. I'm not familiar with the opening my opponent used, I was fiddling with a Dutch opening for the first time and didn't really know what I was doing. somewhere in the middle game I feel like we were in a position I think might be described as " sharp. " in analysis there was a whole bunch of possible moves that were all blunders and only a few good ones. there was one point where if I had calculated correctly and made the pawn break I think it would have decided the game in my favor, but I was preoccupied with keeping the queen and dark bishop penned in and miscalculated the position. any thoughts on that game would be most interesting to me and appreciated 

 

 

 

Your opponent did not follow any opening, but made a bunch of random and silly moves. You handled the opening well and got into one of the typical Dutch set-ups. However, the Dutch is not an opening you play against anything and everything. It is a defense against the Queen's Pawn Opening.

You have some very useful annotations from another user in this thread, but I would caution you that he appears to have little or no experience with the Dutch. Once you committed yourself to the Dutch set-up with your first move, your g6, Bg7, and O-O were consistent, and in my opinion correct.

In the end you lost because you neglected fundamental contacts--the relationships among the pieces. Beginning with Rd7, you started handing away material as if it was candy and your opponent a masked stranger at the door the last day of October.

@nklristic is correct that you should begin the game advancing a central pawn. Classic opening principles and classis openings will give you better positions and more consistency from game to game. Improvement will come through better board vision--don't give pieces away. Take those your opponents give away.

This actually is the more accurate responses I was thinking. I don't play the dutch honestly but you're right, his dutch set up wasn't bad at all just neglected the basics later down in the game. I think you'll be fine if you keep looking for checks, captures and threats. And one thing a lot of beginners overlook is the relationship between pieces as this advance up the board so keep working on that but yeah. Otherwise good job, keep up I'm pretty sure you'll climb in rating

 

nklristic
Tfree88 wrote:

Wow that is very helpful, thanks. After I digest this can I shoot u a message if I have any questions?

Of course, though sometimes it might take some time to answer.

@David_Mary

You're welcome as well. happy.png

nklristic
Ziryab wrote:
Tfree88 wrote:

here's a game I played, and lost somewhat miserably. I'm not familiar with the opening my opponent used, I was fiddling with a Dutch opening for the first time and didn't really know what I was doing. somewhere in the middle game I feel like we were in a position I think might be described as " sharp. " in analysis there was a whole bunch of possible moves that were all blunders and only a few good ones. there was one point where if I had calculated correctly and made the pawn break I think it would have decided the game in my favor, but I was preoccupied with keeping the queen and dark bishop penned in and miscalculated the position. any thoughts on that game would be most interesting to me and appreciated 

 

 

 

Your opponent did not follow any opening, but made a bunch of random and silly moves. You handled the opening well and got into one of the typical Dutch set-ups. However, the Dutch is not an opening you play against anything and everything. It is a defense against the Queen's Pawn Opening.

You have some very useful annotations from another user in this thread, but I would caution you that he appears to have little or no experience with the Dutch. Once you committed yourself to the Dutch set-up with your first move, your g6, Bg7, and O-O were consistent, and in my opinion correct.

In the end you lost because you neglected fundamental contacts--the relationships among the pieces. Beginning with Rd7, you started handing away material as if it was candy and your opponent a masked stranger at the door the last day of October.

@nklristic is correct that you should begin the game advancing a central pawn. Classic opening principles and classis openings will give you better positions and more consistency from game to game. Improvement will come through better board vision--don't give pieces away. Take those your opponents give away.

Correct, I don't really have experience with the Dutch as I play 1.e4, and as black I play Slav defense against 1.d4, but here the opponent didn't really play 1.d4 anyway, so 1. ...f5 seemed a bit random. I feel that as a novice player he should probably opt for something else than the Dutch. It is not mandatory, but I think that he should at least get the hang of principles and get to let's say 1 200 rating before taking on the Dutch and pushing that f pawn, as pushing the f pawn gets inexperienced people into trouble very often.

Here it wasn't an issue, but I witnessed it happen over and over again in my games against opponents rated around 1 200 (when I was around that rating). I won some games very fast.

All of that being said, there is no one right way to play chess, and 1. ...f5 can be a viable option as well, but it is a bit more tricky to play as a beginner.

Ziryab
nklristic wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Tfree88 wrote:

here's a game I played, and lost somewhat miserably. I'm not familiar with the opening my opponent used, I was fiddling with a Dutch opening for the first time and didn't really know what I was doing. somewhere in the middle game I feel like we were in a position I think might be described as " sharp. " in analysis there was a whole bunch of possible moves that were all blunders and only a few good ones. there was one point where if I had calculated correctly and made the pawn break I think it would have decided the game in my favor, but I was preoccupied with keeping the queen and dark bishop penned in and miscalculated the position. any thoughts on that game would be most interesting to me and appreciated 

 

 

 

Your opponent did not follow any opening, but made a bunch of random and silly moves. You handled the opening well and got into one of the typical Dutch set-ups. However, the Dutch is not an opening you play against anything and everything. It is a defense against the Queen's Pawn Opening.

You have some very useful annotations from another user in this thread, but I would caution you that he appears to have little or no experience with the Dutch. Once you committed yourself to the Dutch set-up with your first move, your g6, Bg7, and O-O were consistent, and in my opinion correct.

In the end you lost because you neglected fundamental contacts--the relationships among the pieces. Beginning with Rd7, you started handing away material as if it was candy and your opponent a masked stranger at the door the last day of October.

@nklristic is correct that you should begin the game advancing a central pawn. Classic opening principles and classis openings will give you better positions and more consistency from game to game. Improvement will come through better board vision--don't give pieces away. Take those your opponents give away.

Correct, I don't really have experience with the Dutch as I play 1.e4, and as black I play Slav defense against 1.d4, but here the opponent didn't really play 1.d4 anyway, so 1. ...f5 seemed a bit random. I feel that as a novice player he should probably opt for something else than the Dutch. It is not mandatory, but I think that he should at least get the hang of principles and get to let's say 1 200 rating before taking on the Dutch and pushing that f pawn, as pushing the f pawn gets inexperienced people into trouble very often.

Here it wasn't an issue, but I witnessed it happen over and over again in my games against opponents rated around 1 200. I won some games like that very fast.

All of that being said, there is no one right way to play chess, and 1. ...f5 can be a viable option as well, but it is a bit more tricky to play as a beginner.

 

I agreed with everything in your annotations except your criticism of g6, Bg7, and O-O. These were consistent with the path already chosen. So were later pawn moves like c5.

Even the little skirmish on e6 is a common feature of the Dutch and were handled well until Rd7 and leaving the knight en prise. Your suggestion there was very good.

nklristic
Ziryab wrote:
nklristic wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Tfree88 wrote:

here's a game I played, and lost somewhat miserably. I'm not familiar with the opening my opponent used, I was fiddling with a Dutch opening for the first time and didn't really know what I was doing. somewhere in the middle game I feel like we were in a position I think might be described as " sharp. " in analysis there was a whole bunch of possible moves that were all blunders and only a few good ones. there was one point where if I had calculated correctly and made the pawn break I think it would have decided the game in my favor, but I was preoccupied with keeping the queen and dark bishop penned in and miscalculated the position. any thoughts on that game would be most interesting to me and appreciated 

 

 

 

Your opponent did not follow any opening, but made a bunch of random and silly moves. You handled the opening well and got into one of the typical Dutch set-ups. However, the Dutch is not an opening you play against anything and everything. It is a defense against the Queen's Pawn Opening.

You have some very useful annotations from another user in this thread, but I would caution you that he appears to have little or no experience with the Dutch. Once you committed yourself to the Dutch set-up with your first move, your g6, Bg7, and O-O were consistent, and in my opinion correct.

In the end you lost because you neglected fundamental contacts--the relationships among the pieces. Beginning with Rd7, you started handing away material as if it was candy and your opponent a masked stranger at the door the last day of October.

@nklristic is correct that you should begin the game advancing a central pawn. Classic opening principles and classis openings will give you better positions and more consistency from game to game. Improvement will come through better board vision--don't give pieces away. Take those your opponents give away.

Correct, I don't really have experience with the Dutch as I play 1.e4, and as black I play Slav defense against 1.d4, but here the opponent didn't really play 1.d4 anyway, so 1. ...f5 seemed a bit random. I feel that as a novice player he should probably opt for something else than the Dutch. It is not mandatory, but I think that he should at least get the hang of principles and get to let's say 1 200 rating before taking on the Dutch and pushing that f pawn, as pushing the f pawn gets inexperienced people into trouble very often.

Here it wasn't an issue, but I witnessed it happen over and over again in my games against opponents rated around 1 200. I won some games like that very fast.

All of that being said, there is no one right way to play chess, and 1. ...f5 can be a viable option as well, but it is a bit more tricky to play as a beginner.

 

I agreed with everything in your annotations except your criticism of g6, Bg7, and O-O. These were consistent with the path already chosen. So were later pawn moves like c5.

Even the little skirmish on e6 is a common feature of the Dutch and were handled well until Rd7 and leaving the knight en prise. Your suggestion there was very good.

I actually saw some setups like it and I know that people can play like this. My suggestions in the opening tends to be more general when I am trying to help out novice players, because I feel that if you follow principles and avoid hanging pieces, good things tend to happen when you are starting out. Especially because principles can lead to a relatively straightforward opening moves and faster development.

I stated that g6 is another pawn move, and you are correct about it. I didn't criticize castling, and I stated that Bg7 is logical after he played g6. 

I appreciate your input as a more experienced player (and if I understood correctly, a chess coach). Thank you for commenting here.

Ziryab

@nklristic

I advocate 1.e4 and 1.d4. I tell my beginning students to play 1.e4 100 times before they play anything else. To meet 1.e4 with 1...e5 100 times, too. Then play 1.d4 100 times, and meet it with 1...d5 100 times. Few listen. Some do. In the scholastic tournaments that I run, the four knights Italian is the most popular opening.

Naturally, I need experience with what my students are doing. I played my first Halloween Gambit a few days ago. My opponent started well and I was headed towards a worse position, and then, as usually happens in most games below the master level, blunders decided the game.

Enjoy.

 

Black played better in this later effort. Use the analysis feature and look at how many times I should have played Nd5.
https://www.chess.com/game/live/29941739655

 

frosty21p
Ziryab wrote:

@nklristic

I advocate 1.e4 and 1.d4. I tell my beginning students to play 1.e4 100 times before they play anything else. To meet 1.e4 with 1...e5 100 times, too. Then play 1.d4 100 times, and meet it with 1...d5 100 times. Few listen. Some do. In the scholastic tournaments that I run, the four knights Italian is the most popular opening.

Naturally, I need experience with what my students are doing. I played my first Halloween Gambit a few days ago. My opponent started well and I was headed towards a worse position, and then, as usually happens in most games below the master level, blunders decided the game.

Enjoy.

 

 

was the knight sac intentional or was that a straight up blunder??