Help beating Nelson (computer)

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Lord_banh
icyboyyy wrote:
Lord_banh wrote:
 

This position had made me win against nelson

he can block with the knight so thats just losing

He did block with knight but then I just took the d pawn which attacked the knight again here's the full game

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/computer/716566

Lord_banh
asdfghkl123456798 wrote:
Lord_banh wrote:
 

This position had made me win against nelson

nc3

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/computer/716566 he did play Nc3

Nghtstalker

Nelson had a surprise for you!

 

Callby
Nelson has a weak opening, don’t let him castle and keep your opening strong, and then when you progress to mid-game you’ll be in a better position. When mid game starts you have to watch out for his mistakes and hanging pieces, he makes a lot of them from transition from mid to end game. Also, force his queen out from their position.
gregory9310

Another thing I noticed is that Nelson has a hard time developing his kingside, so take advantage of that and bring out all your pieces. You basically will have an 11 point advantage from there.

robemerson

So I can beat Antonio without too much trouble.

But Nelson I find very hard because he's aggressive and I find that the only way I win games is where he makes a blunder. And I do mean a blunder. The only games you will win against him are ones where he makes blunders that few humans at this level would e.g. missing plain/open rook attacks without pinning/sophistication. Or even really stupid stuff like not moving an unpinned queen (huh?!). He is also good at evaluating trade offs fast (and/or I am bad at it). He is good at defending layered attacks.

I have played a few hundred games against him (most 5 mins max) and can win only a relative handful.

Also I don't agree with some of the comments here that he is does not play strong endgame. I suppose it depends on what you regard as "good" endgame but I have lost/draw endgames to him as he plays rook/knight very effectively. Mostly this taught me my own endgame is bad. He is very bad at basic endgame e.g. king vs king/pawn where he'll easily let you win a drawable game.

I do agree that he doesn't mind dropping pawns. But he is capable of playing decent defence from an even position. And if you don't have an even position... umm, well yeah happy.png

Also I got preoccupied with being material up against him. And some of the games here show human being material down vs position.

Jujbub

Just trade queens 

Im black and nelson is white

Jujbub

robemerson wrote:

So I can beat Antonio without too much trouble.

But Nelson I find very hard because he's aggressive and I find that the only way I win games is where he makes a blunder. And I do mean a blunder. The only games you will win against him are ones where he makes blunders that few humans at this level would e.g. missing plain/open rook attacks without pinning/sophistication. Or even really stupid stuff like not moving an unpinned queen (huh?!). He is also good at evaluating trade offs fast (and/or I am bad at it). He is good at defending layered attacks.

I have played a few hundred games against him (most 5 mins max) and can win only a relative handful.

Also I don't agree with some of the comments here that he is does not play strong endgame. I suppose it depends on what you regard as "good" endgame but I have lost/draw endgames to him as he plays rook/knight very effectively. Mostly this taught me my own endgame is bad. He is very bad at basic endgame e.g. king vs king/pawn where he'll easily let you win a drawable game.

I do agree that he doesn't mind dropping pawns. But he is capable of playing decent defence from an even position. And if you don't have an even position... umm, well yeah

Also I got preoccupied with being material up against him. And some of the games here show human being material down vs position.

His endgame is good I have drawn to him many times

MarkoHoog

He uses wayward queen attack alot

Chouquette2009

Yes

MarkoHoog

I would advise swapping queen's rather early in the game

Chouquette2009

I think that moving the queen at the beginning of the game is not a very good idea because the queen is the most important piece (before the king of course) which takes the most points (7). I don't say that you should never move the queen, but you should do it only when there is an opportunity to put chess or to defend the king. This is my opinion but obviously everyone can have a different one.

gregory9310
Chouquette2009 wrote:

I think that moving the queen at the beginning of the game is not a very good idea because the queen is the most important piece (before the king of course) which takes the most points (7). I don't say that you should never move the queen, but you should do it only when there is an opportunity to put chess or to defend the king. This is my opinion but obviously everyone can have a different one.

Queen takes 9 points. On average. 

Chouquette2009

Excuse me I did a mistake thanks to remind me.

thirsteryfactory

I've been stuck on him for weeks now. I'm not the best player by any means, nor anywhere near good - so basic strategies are really what I lack. I'm trying my best to incorporate what I think are missing, I've even tried looking it up and watching how others beat him.. But to no avail. I'm genuinely stuck on Nelson. 

laurengoodkindchess

Hi!  My name is Lauren Goodkind and I'm a chess coach based in California: www.ChessByLauren.com.  Nelson likes to use his queen so I would suggest trying to trade queens with him.   Last month, I made a video on how to beat Nelson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S60lCFz9gI4&t=393s

I hope that this helps.  

Nghtstalker

I think you have heard it before develop your pieces.  Take your time do not play fast if your really having issues I suggest setting up real pieces and and playing it with them.   Look ahead for at least two moves for all the major positions.  

I can beat Nelson easily when I am paying attention but if I am playing fast and not really thinking just moving pieces around then I lose...  : )  It happens with human players also.

everydaymachines

Nelson is absolutely ruthless, even when I slow down and try to hone in on every move he makes I still end up losing. I can win maybe 1 in 10 games with him

oscarsaj671

Como traducir al español?

adrian_mclain

i find that the scandinavian defense works well when i use the black pieces