stigney

Oct 2, 2020

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#41

I question the motives of the defenders of use of a second board. I think it is telling to the lengths these folks argue that it is OK. I think it is condescending to state that many misunderstand what this is all about

StormCentre3

Oct 2, 2020

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#42

True stigney. Players with experience and knowledge are well aware. However - this is a forum for beginners and it’s understandable they may not be aware of the nuances. Their intent is not to gain advantage. I’m simply making players aware of what makes for Fair play. Those who want to defend the use of a 2nd board during Live- fully aware of the rules - that’s their business.

Yes. Quite simple. They want it their way regardless of the rules in place. Adapt. As I have playing on my phone app on a 2 1/2 inch board and entering moves by finger ! Should it be OK to use a 2nd board because I’m on a phone ? Of course not. It’s against the rules for simple reasons. The discussion revolves around chess related tools and their use. Comparing them to eyeglasses, putting it in the same category - displays ignorance. Perhaps to be corrected. Most likely not.

Da-Vere

Oct 2, 2020

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#43

What are the rules?

No chess programs or engines (e.g. Chessmaster, Fritz, Komodo, Houdini, Stockfish, Chessbase with any active UCI engine, etc.) can be used to analyze positions in ongoing games at any time.
In Daily Chess (turn-based games with several days per move), you may consult any resource which is not engine-based. This includes books, opening databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for [www.chess.com/openings|opening moves], and thematic games (though not their engine analyses). Tablebases are NOT allowed. You may not consult an engine, or another human, to provide an opinion on the opening database, tablebases, self-preparation or analysis that would relate to a particular game-in-progress on Chess.com.
In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted.
Fixing game results by arranging games, playing with multiple accounts or losing intentionally is also against the rules.
Do not let anyone else play on your account! This is strictly against the rules!

MorphysMayhem

Oct 2, 2020

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#44

How is this different from using a DGT board? I don't see it differently at all.

stigney

Oct 2, 2020

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#45

Know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee

JamieDelarosa

Oct 2, 2020

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#46

lfPatriotGames wrote:

Using a real board is not allowed. But chess.com has said they will look the other way, because it's not enforceable. I doubt anyone would be banned, because there is no way to prove there was any assistance. Once called out for their claim that they wanted to replicate real chess as much as possible, they conceded that using a real board is "technically" against the rules but in a gray area. They made it pretty clear just dont use it for assistance, and you'll be fine.

Where has it been stated?

2Kf21-0

Oct 2, 2020

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#47

eh maybe for like really slow games in a way thats kind of cheating though but also it isnt really cuz like you can physically visually calculate but im just to lazy to

lfPatriotGames

Oct 2, 2020

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#48

JamieDelarosa wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

Using a real board is not allowed. But chess.com has said they will look the other way, because it's not enforceable. I doubt anyone would be banned, because there is no way to prove there was any assistance. Once called out for their claim that they wanted to replicate real chess as much as possible, they conceded that using a real board is "technically" against the rules but in a gray area. They made it pretty clear just dont use it for assistance, and you'll be fine.

Where has it been stated?

It was in one of these forums a while back. I could probably dig it up.

duntcare

Oct 2, 2020

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#49

Not really, infact chess.com allows it so much they added a feature called sync, since electronic boards can send Bluetooth signals or something, u can play a game online but move the pieces irl, u just have to move for the opponent

duntcare

Oct 2, 2020

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#50

once u move a piece on your side, it moves on chess.com

duntcare

Oct 2, 2020

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#51

play online cuz i beat my dad over 100 times

StormCentre3

Oct 2, 2020

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#52

Perhaps a Mod responded in kind. It does not make it CC policy or endorsement for the use of a 2nd board. It is against the rules of Fair play. Period. Agree or not that it’s assistance- it’s the rule.

In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted

duntcare

Oct 2, 2020

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#53

using an actual chess board is not that, because many people think the online interface looks weird so yeah

duntcare

Oct 2, 2020

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#54

ask a mod, u can use a irl chess board while playing

lfPatriotGames

Oct 2, 2020

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#55

JamieDelarosa wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

Using a real board is not allowed. But chess.com has said they will look the other way, because it's not enforceable. I doubt anyone would be banned, because there is no way to prove there was any assistance. Once called out for their claim that they wanted to replicate real chess as much as possible, they conceded that using a real board is "technically" against the rules but in a gray area. They made it pretty clear just dont use it for assistance, and you'll be fine.

Where has it been stated?

Jan 11, 2019#30

@IfPatriotGames, see my most recent comment. If you're using a physical board as an analysis board to try out different moves as an aid to visualisation, that's definitely against the rules (albeit difficult to enforce).

If you're just copying the moves from the game to see the position on a physical board rather than on-screen, it might technically be against the rules but isn't a big deal.

That was MGleasons comment back then. I couldn't remember the exact wording used. I think the point is pretty clear though. No trying out different moves or analysis. But just copying exact moves from a game, not a big deal.

LunaStrike

Oct 2, 2020

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#56

Sometimes

duntcare

Oct 2, 2020

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#57

lfPatriotGames wrote:

JamieDelarosa wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

Using a real board is not allowed. But chess.com has said they will look the other way, because it's not enforceable. I doubt anyone would be banned, because there is no way to prove there was any assistance. Once called out for their claim that they wanted to replicate real chess as much as possible, they conceded that using a real board is "technically" against the rules but in a gray area. They made it pretty clear just dont use it for assistance, and you'll be fine.

Where has it been stated?

Jan 11, 2019#30

@IfPatriotGames, see my most recent comment. If you're using a physical board as an analysis board to try out different moves as an aid to visualisation, that's definitely against the rules (albeit difficult to enforce).

If you're just copying the moves from the game to see the position on a physical board rather than on-screen, it might technically be against the rules but isn't a big deal.

That was MGleasons comment back then. I couldn't remember the exact wording used. I think the point is pretty clear though. No trying out different moves or analysis. But just copying exact moves from a game, not a big deal.

thats incorrect, what he ment is due to "touch move" u cant try out moves but using a board wont break rules, as long as it's in ur head

StormCentre3

Oct 2, 2020

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#58

There is no question that a 2nd board is of assistance. The real question is does it lead to an advantage. This point becomes debatable and highly misunderstood.

lfPatriotGames

Oct 2, 2020

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#59

BadBishopJones3 wrote:

There is no question that a 2nd board is of assistance. The real question is does it lead to an advantage. This point becomes debatable and highly misunderstood. Either way you stand - the rule is clear. Live by it or rationalize an excuse to break it - suiting your particular circumstance.

There is no advantage, because both sides can choose to do it, if they wish. If chess.com says it's no big deal, it's no big deal. I think they made the right decision. Do it you want, or dont. Your choice.

IMKeto

Oct 2, 2020

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#60

When i did play online, I would use a real board and pieces. At a minimum i would play 3 Days per move, and use a system i learned from a USCF Expert friend.

Day 1: Find candidate moves, and play out some lines.

Day 2: Go over candidate moves, and reevaluate lines of analysis. Discarding bad lines, and finding others.

Day 3: Play what I think is the best move i could find, and learn from my mistakes.

Write down all of my analysis, thoughts ideas, etc.