Play Bullet, it doesn't matter how much you lose but it will improve your longer game.

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sholom90
Toad1258 wrote:

sholom90 you don't do bullet

I know.  I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.  My commend was based on what the general consensus among experts is, and was about *fast* games, by which I meant to include bullet and blitz -- about which I wrote:

Quoting many chess instructors (Dan Heisman among them) -- playing fast games can help you *if and only if* you analyze the game afterwards. It can help you recognize tactics more quickly, you can practice opening lines and see where your first non-book move was, etc.

But if you don't analyze them, then it's mostly just entertainment and an adrenaline rush. Which is not a bad thing, but not nearly as helpful to improve your long game.

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* the reason I don't play blitz is because I'm older, and the faster the game goes, the worse I do.  My daily is 400 above my rapid, which is 300 points above my blitz.  So, I'm not even going to try bullet for a while!

I notice that many younger folks (say, early 20's or less) have the opposite pattern: better ratings with the faster games than with the slower ones.

George1st

Dramatically!

sholom90

FWIW, Dan Heisman's thoughts on time controls -- which I alluded to in comment #161 (11 months ago) - are here: https://web.archive.org/web/20140627030447/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman115.pdf  

Will_B_Lunder

I don't think I'll ever play bullet

SaltyCornttv

Why people get extra time during blitz? Is it with every game type?

crocodilestyle1
SaltyCornttv wrote:

Why people get extra time during blitz? Is it with every game type?

That type of time control is called 'an increment' - so you might see a blitz game described as 3+2, that means 3 minutes to each side with 2 seconds added for each move.

If you've been watching the Generation Cup games they are playing 15+10, so they start with 15 minutes and have 10 seconds added per move. You do see increment in the longer time controls too, I think I'd be right in saying in the Sinquefield cup there was 1hr30mins for 40 moves, with 30 seconds added for each move.....hence you saw some quick draws with player ending the match with move time than they started with!

crocodilestyle1

May I ask, how do people feel about playing bullet to learn openings? I have discovered myself to be absolutely rubbish at blitz (absolutely terrible!), but funnily enough playing bullet on the other site, I have actually found a bit of success.

I play system opening for white and black (with slight variations for some moves), and I just find that through learning the common responses, I have a pretty solid position after 30 seconds 80ish% of the time....and then I can usually nurse my opposition into time trouble.

ninjaswat

I'd say it will give you knowledge on the most common responses but not on the ones that you would face if your opponents take the time to think.

Otherwise, it's useless. You'll build bad habits.

RussBell

Play Longer Time Controls...

For many at the beginner-novice level, speed chess tends to be primarily an exercise in moving pieces around faster than your opponent while avoiding checkmate, in hopes that his/her clock runs out sooner than yours.  And/or hoping to notice and exploit your opponent’s blunders while hoping they don't notice yours.  The reason for this is that there is little time to think about what you should be doing.

It makes sense that taking more time to think about what you should be doing would promote improvement in your chess skills and results.

An effective way to improve your chess is therefore to play mostly longer time controls, including "daily" chess, so you have time to think about what you should be doing.

This is not to suggest that you should necessarily play exclusively slow or daily time controls, but they should be a significant percentage of your games, at least as much, if not more so than speed games which, while they may be fun, do almost nothing to promote an understanding of how to play the game well.

Here's what IM Jeremy Silman, well-known chess book author, has to say on the topic...
https://www.chess.com/article/view/longer-time-controls-are-more-instructive

And Dan Heisman, well-known chess teacher and chess book author…
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http:/www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/dan-heisman-resources

and the experience of a FIDE Master...
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-blitz-and-bullet-rotted-my-brain-don-t-let-it-rot-yours

for some good stuff on general chess improvement, with a view toward learning what you should be doing, browse my blog.....

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell

Time Controls - Everything You Wanted To Know...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/time-controls-everything-you-wanted-to-know

George1st

What a load of rubbish.

Adamchess232

This is very bad advice. If you want to get better you should not play bullet or even blitz and only rapid or classical and practise some puzzles

ChessMasteryOfficial

It's a fun format that allows you to experiment with different openings and strategies.

magipi

Fun fact: almost 3 years later the OP is still 300-rated in rapid and blitz. The strategy doesn't seem to work too well.

VenemousViper

No. Play longer time controls to improve. Bullet is just a time mode where you don't have time to think and the only thing that matters is how good your connection / mouse is.

3aughh

🙏🏻

Speed_Rage

Bullet is for increasing 3 4 move intuition and it's only for that it's to improve speed and not waste time over something simple I dont have a fide rating but playing bullet games is great just dont stress over the losses it can be pressuring

Quite_Playable_1

Yes, it does improve but not bullet the whole year. For example, your tactics solving are very simple sets compliment it with bullet games. When you solve a bit deeper tactics. Play 10 minute games. Hard tactics compliment it with 30 minute games. That's what I did at some point. i did not mind the ratings. Now I do not solve or train chess anymore. I just pure playing for fun.

SmyslovFan

This isn’t enough of a sample size to draw firm conclusions, but just about 100% of the people saying bullet chess hurts your development as a chess player three years ago have either left the site or have not improved.

A good thesis to test would be: people writing numerous comments about improvement are unlikely to be improving themselves.

MaetsNori

I don't think bullet can hurt your development, necessarily. But that depends on the player.

If you're just spamming premoves and hardly thinking at all - and then spamming the "rematch" or "new game" button after each game, then you're probably not doing yourself any favors.

But if you're actually trying to play decent chess - just at a really quick timer - and if you're actually attempting to learn and improve from those games, then even bullet can prove useful ...

Though, to do the latter well, you likely should be at least somewhat experienced. The fact this thread is being given as a recommendation in the "Beginners" forum makes the advice itself rather dubious.

George1st
MaetsNori wrote:

I don't think bullet can hurt your development, necessarily. But that depends on the player.

If you're just spamming premoves and hardly thinking at all - and then spamming the "rematch" or "new game" button after each game, then you're probably not doing yourself any favors.

But if you're actually trying to play decent chess - just at a really quick timer - and if you're actually attempting to learn and improve from those games, then even bullet can prove useful ...

Though, to do the latter well, you likely should be at least somewhat experienced. The fact this thread is being given as a recommendation in the "Beginners" forum makes the advice itself rather dubious.

Very true!