Players who have start low elo, how do you get better?

Create a study with a batch of over 5000 Adults (example) on chess.com, track their improvements and playing times on rapid, then cross reference it with teens and even kids and their improvements from short term to long term. Start with a semi low ELO (like 500 for example), and they have to be playing at least 4 days out of the week with more than 4 matches a day. You can also take into account daily rapid and blitz games. This is a actual solution that will show the proof you have of this issue. If you can even manage to do this, I'll rescind my argument entirely.

Just to remind you what you said since you seem intent on moving the goal posts. Next to no one is going to be hard stuck at 200 elo mate. Practice dedication and a willingness to look inwards for mistakes instead of blaming it on something you can't change works wonders.

I mean to be fair he is right that kids will have a better time learning than adults. I'd expect the results of this to show that the kids improved at chess faster and more on average. But he's just wrong that adults can't improve at chess.

He is right, but the point of this survey is not proving that kids have a better time learning than adults, it's to see where they stop at and/or slow to a crawl. It also can show if they can KEEP UP with the kids or maybe even stay at the same pace. The kids are used as a comparision and benchmark.

Why study masses if we can look at example of titled players, of Grandmasters and their bio. They all started early. There's only a handful of GMs who became GMs as 30+ adults. I've showed an example of a 200 rated player who has 6 thousand games, 4 years on chess.com and he had 2.8 accuracy with me. That is not "next to no one", that's at least one and I can look up more just in my game archive.

Sure..... but for your argument to make sense that has to be his maximum potential. I'm not disputing that there are low level players on the site. You only have to get to something like 600 elo to be in the top 50% of players. What I'm disputing is that these low level players are at their maximum potential.

one person does not represent every single 30 year old adult on chess.

I'm going to formally stop this argument, as we are getting nowhere. I competely respect your opinion, I just disagree with it.

I've said it's not one, just because I showed one example. It is unlikely that I was lucky to meet that only one person.

I am currently working on becoming an IM myself and will tell you that an 1-2 hours per day is the minimum to increase strength plus on top of a coach.

Dear Johrisez,

I am a certified, full-time chess coach, so I hope I can help you. Everybody is different, so that's why there isn't only one general way to learn. First of all, you have to discover your biggest weaknesses in the game and start working on them. The most effective way for that is analyzing your own games. Of course, if you are a beginner, you can't do it efficiently because you don't know too much about the game yet. There is a built-in engine on chess.com which can show you if a move is good or bad but the only problem is that it can't explain to you the plans, ideas behind the moves, so you won't know why it is so good or bad.

In my opinion, chess has 4 main territories (openings, strategies, tactics/combinations and endgames). If you want to improve efficiently, you should improve all of these skills almost at the same time. That's what my training program is based on. My students really like it because the lessons are not boring (because we talk about more than one areas within one lesson) and they feel the improvement on the longer run. Of course, there are always ups and downs but this is completely normal in everyone's career.

If you would like to learn more about chess, you can visit my Patreon channel (www.patreon.com/Bgabor91), where you can learn about every kind of topics. I've just started this channel and I'm planning to upload 3-4 new videos per week.

I hope this is helpful for you. Good luck with your games!