Queens Gambit Resign! (Spoilers)

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ShamusMcFlannigan
ExploringWA wrote:
OzzieTezz wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:

I did not resign because I lost a Rook. I resigned because I was going to lose my other Rook, and my position was clearly lost to a much better opponent. 

 

As per my post above your position was clearly not lost, you just didn't bother to look for it.

As for your other question, within the last week in 2 tournament games against the same player I blundered my way down to just the king (actually near the end I sacrificed my other pieces intentionally to just have the king), the 1st game I was able to force a stalemate, in the 2nd game they were much more cautious and checkmated me.

You might argue I was delaying ending the game, but put simply I was learning from the experience, and clearly they were too because they changed end game tactics the 2nd time to ensure they didn't stalemate me again, and we were both active enough players to finish both our matching games before other pairings in the tournament have finished their first.

EDIT> Here's the tournament >> https://www.chess.com/tournament/premium-beginners-slow-tourney

As of right now they are in position 1 and I'm in 2.

I just watched a 2835 rated IM hang his Rook in a completely even endgame, and he resigned. 

As is his/her right. The argument isn't never resign, the argument is that your opponent doesn't have the right to tell you when to quit and that there are numerous benefits to not resigning (drawing/winning games, becoming a better defensive player, etc). 

MovedtoLiches
ShamusMcFlannigan wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
OzzieTezz wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:

I did not resign because I lost a Rook. I resigned because I was going to lose my other Rook, and my position was clearly lost to a much better opponent. 

 

As per my post above your position was clearly not lost, you just didn't bother to look for it.

As for your other question, within the last week in 2 tournament games against the same player I blundered my way down to just the king (actually near the end I sacrificed my other pieces intentionally to just have the king), the 1st game I was able to force a stalemate, in the 2nd game they were much more cautious and checkmated me.

You might argue I was delaying ending the game, but put simply I was learning from the experience, and clearly they were too because they changed end game tactics the 2nd time to ensure they didn't stalemate me again, and we were both active enough players to finish both our matching games before other pairings in the tournament have finished their first.

EDIT> Here's the tournament >> https://www.chess.com/tournament/premium-beginners-slow-tourney

As of right now they are in position 1 and I'm in 2.

I just watched a 2835 rated IM hang his Rook in a completely even endgame, and he resigned. 

As is his/her right. The argument isn't never resign, the argument is that your opponent doesn't have the right to tell you when to quit and that there are numerous benefits to not resigning (drawing/winning games, becoming a better defensive player, etc). 

If you can point me to where I said a person does not have the right to resign, I’d appreciate it. I never said anything along those lines.

ponz111

RESIGN! WAS PUT IN THE SERIES FOR A REASON. I KNOW A LOT OF GMS AND VERY STRONG PLAYERS. THE REASONS YOU SHOULD RESIGN IN SUCH SITUATIONS HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED. YOU DO  NOT HAVE TO AGREE.

ShamusMcFlannigan
ponz111 wrote:

RESIGN! WAS PUT IN THE SERIES FOR A REASON. I KNOW A LOT OF GMS AND VERY STRONG PLAYERS. THE REASONS YOU SHOULD RESIGN IN SUCH SITUATIONS HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED. YOU DO  NOT HAVE TO AGREE.

The reason it is in the show is pretty clearly for character development.  You can of course resign any time you'd like, but that is against the advice of elite players. 

ParkerBettinson

The name of this forum is... misleading. Calling it "Queens Gambit Resign!" makes it seem like it will have to do with the Queens Gambit opening... not the Botez Gambit. 

{Topic Edited: -GChess325}

ParkerBettinson

Just... losing your queen for little to no compensation is not the queens gambit.

 

OzzieTezz
ponz111 wrote:

RESIGN! WAS PUT IN THE SERIES FOR A REASON. I KNOW A LOT OF GMS AND VERY STRONG PLAYERS. THE REASONS YOU SHOULD RESIGN IN SUCH SITUATIONS HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED. YOU DO  NOT HAVE TO AGREE.

 

You're not a GM, can you cite a quotation from a GM that says beginner and lower ranked players should resign.

Also your post #86 in this thread was edited by a mod to request you stop posting in all caps, so please stop.

JamieDelarosa
OzzieTezz wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

RESIGN! WAS PUT IN THE SERIES FOR A REASON. I KNOW A LOT OF GMS AND VERY STRONG PLAYERS. THE REASONS YOU SHOULD RESIGN IN SUCH SITUATIONS HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED. YOU DO  NOT HAVE TO AGREE.

 

You're not a GM, can you cite a quotation from a GM that says beginner and lower ranked players should resign.

Also your post #86 in this thread was edited by a mod to request you stop posting in all caps, so please stop.

Before I had my cataracts operated upon, and new lenses emplaced, I had trouble reading text here.

Are you that heartless that you would deny a person with a medical condition access to the site??

OzzieTezz
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Before I had my cataracts operated upon, and new lenses emplaced, I had trouble reading text here.

Are you that heartless that you would deny a person with a medical condition access to the site??

 

There is no medical condition that requires someone to post in all caps, and a mod has already requested they do this.

EDIT> All modern computer operating systems have accessibility functions, and browsers have zoom functions, use those functions and it becomes so much easier to read things. Personally I run the zoom on my browsers at 110% to improve readability because my eyes aren't as good as they were 20 years ago either.

ShamusMcFlannigan
OzzieTezz wrote:
ShamusMcFlannigan wrote:

I don't think I'm aware of any IM or GM who encourages resignation like that @ponz111  most seem to say just the opposite.  I am curious to know (for anyone on this thread), how would you evaluate this position?

White to move

 

Short and sweet version of why I think white would have a far better position here ..

W: Qe8
B: Kh7 (Bf8 would be valid but would give up the bishop)
W: Kg5
B: Black must now move either the Knight or Bishop
W: Picks off knight and bishop ...

Solid attempt and you may get the win against some, but this fortress actually saved me half a point a while back.  

JamieDelarosa
OzzieTezz wrote:
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Before I had my cataracts operated upon, and new lenses emplaced, I had trouble reading text here.

Are you that heartless that you would deny a person with a medical condition access to the site??

 

There is no medical condition that requires someone to post in all caps, and a mod has already requested they do this.

EDIT> All modern computer operating systems have accessibility functions, and browsers have zoom functions, use those functions and it becomes so much easier to read things. Personally I run the zoom on my browsers at 110% to improve readability because my eyes aren't as good as they were 20 years ago either.

He might access the site through his phone.

What's the big deal??

Ponz has been a popular, contributing member of the site for over 11 years. There is no need for officiousness.

ponz111

OZZIE I DO NOT EVEN HAVE A PHONE. AND I AM NOT COMPUTER SAVVY. ALSO MY CURRENT RATING IS OVER 2500 AND I AM FRIENDS WITH MANY VERY STRONG PLAYERS AND HAVE PLAYED 4 GMS AND A TON  OF MASTERS.

I DO HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION WHICH  PRETTY MUCH REQUIRES ME TO TYPE IN  CAPS.

JamieDelarosa

Pay the louts, including the hopeless moderator, no attention, ponz.

If I read any more foolishness, I will just write to ERIK.

OzzieTezz
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Pay the louts, including the hopeless moderator, no attention, ponz.

If I read any more foolishness, I will just write to ERIK.

 

I've been doing a lot of reading and watching YouTube videos of training from actual GM's, and every single one has given the same answer when it comes to whether or not a beginner and/or low ranking player should resign during a game, and it's always a no, at that level of play you should never resign, ever.

Since everything I've seen from GM's is saying no, I asked for a cite from a GM who actually recommends that beginner and/or ranking players should resign when the game is starting to move against them, that hasn't been provided.

You can write to Erik if you want, great, what's he going to do? Ban me because I don't fall into the resign camp, ban me because I requested a user (and I'm not the only one who has done this by the way) stop posting in all caps because it's just annoying to read? My apologizes to ponz if he has a condition which requires him to post in all caps, but I was hardly being heartless and discriminatory for asking him to stop.

wornaki
OzzieTezz wrote:
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Pay the louts, including the hopeless moderator, no attention, ponz.

If I read any more foolishness, I will just write to ERIK.

 

I've been doing a lot of reading and watching YouTube videos of training from actual GM's, and every single one has given the same answer when it comes to whether or not a beginner and/or low ranking player should resign during a game, and it's always a no, at that level of play you should never resign, ever.

Since everything I've seen from GM's is saying no, I asked for a cite from a GM who actually recommends that beginner and/or ranking players should resign when the game is starting to move against them, that hasn't been provided.

You can write to Erik if you want, great, what's he going to do? Ban me because I don't fall into the resign camp, ban me because I requested a user (and I'm not the only one who has done this by the way) stop posting in all caps because it's just annoying to read? My apologizes to ponz if he has a condition which requires him to post in all caps, but I was hardly being heartless and discriminatory for asking him to stop.

In this website, you can read the opinion of GM Serper about not resigning. He's very adamant about that. And the reasons are sound. I disagree, though.

GChess

{Moderator} Please get back on topic or this thread will be locked. This is not the place to discuss harassment, medical conditions, tech support, etc. {GChess325}

JamieDelarosa
OzzieTezz wrote:
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Pay the louts, including the hopeless moderator, no attention, ponz.

If I read any more foolishness, I will just write to ERIK.

 

I've been doing a lot of reading and watching YouTube videos of training from actual GM's, and every single one has given the same answer when it comes to whether or not a beginner and/or low ranking player should resign during a game, and it's always a no, at that level of play you should never resign, ever.

Since everything I've seen from GM's is saying no, I asked for a cite from a GM who actually recommends that beginner and/or ranking players should resign when the game is starting to move against them, that hasn't been provided.

You can write to Erik if you want, great, what's he going to do? Ban me because I don't fall into the resign camp, ban me because I requested a user (and I'm not the only one who has done this by the way) stop posting in all caps because it's just annoying to read? My apologizes to ponz if he has a condition which requires him to post in all caps, but I was hardly being heartless and discriminatory for asking him to stop.

I don't care if you resign lost games, or not.  The issue is how you are bullying a long time member.  Reported.

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