Having no formal instruction, I wasn't sure how to handle situations such as this. I like the idea of discussing it in chat because everyone feels differently about resigning. It is especially difficult when playing random opponents who do not speak a language in common. Perhaps, it would be prudent to resign out of courtesy in those instances. In my case, I don't mind at all if someone wants to continue until the end. I just don't like to waste someone else's time because I'm not sure if we can end in a draw. Thank you for sharing some insight into resignation courtesy.
When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal
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Dec 18, 2020
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#943
I'm surprised to see that I'm just about the only person who agrees with the original poster. If I'm in a hopelessly lost position, and unless my opponent is seriously time-short, I resign. And if the positions are reversed, I appreciate my opponent doing the same.
What the hell @wornaki?
@wornaki at your level people can blunder all the time. That's why they don't resign
Dec 18, 2020
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#946
I try to be a good sport, but my inclination to resign varies on a case by case basis. Depending on the game I might have formed an impression of my opponent's skill or their "sportsmanship". If the game has been error-strewn or they are making a hash of cleaning up the board, I know that although mate should be forceable, a draw or stalemate is actually up for grabs. If they are very short on time, well, managing the clock is part of the game in blitz, so I don't see anything wrong with putting them to forcing mate within the time limit.
If they have a queen and king versus my king and therefore should be able to force mate trivially but insist on promoting all their other pawns before going in for the kill, I might make them play it out for a while because if they're going to waste my time I'm less inclined not to waste theirs. And if they open with something borderline insulting like e4...Qf3 (and I somehow screw up my response) I'm less inclined to help them out when it comes to the endgame.
Looking at it from the other side, too, except in clear book mate positions, I get much more satisfaction from playing out a checkmate than when an opponent resigns. Having to actually find checkmate is also a good learning tool - I'm not necessarily doing my opponent a favour by resigning. So sometimes if I judge it's the sort of position that were I on the other side, I might want to play out, I might keep going.
But if it 's a player for whom I have some respect and they have plenty of time remaining I will often resign as soon as they gain a decisive advantage, and then request a rematch.
Dec 18, 2020
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#947
Wornaki, the main problem I see is your time management in blitz. You say you play like it's bullet, SO PLAY BULLET. What is your logic there. You spend 1-2 seconds average per move... in blitz.
Dec 18, 2020
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#948
Well, if anything, posting on this thread has made me confirm that most of the online blitz chess community is (borderline) toxic. Given that general etiquette isn't valued, I'll take one of the preferred of advice by @strangemover and transition into mostly daily, limiting my blitz to maybe 2 games a day at most. I will return to more blitz once OTB life resumes and more respectful opponents get back to it. So, I guess that's the end of the thread for me. If you are into mocking and disparaging me, you can go ahead, but you will not get any more replies from me. Thanks for your messages. Peace out.
I couldn't disagree more. Stalling, ok, that's annoying, but always fight to the end. Sure, they have a rook, but do they know how to mate with it? Sure, they have 5 queens, but is there a chance for stalemate? Sure, their king is encased by pieces while yours is vulnerable, but is there a chance for smothered mate?
And, even if I'm low on time, I'm really good at bullet; is there a possibility of me flagging them anyway?
he said bye mods lock this
Dec 18, 2020
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#952
wornaki wrote:
Well, if anything, posting on this thread has made me confirm that most of the online blitz chess community is (borderline) toxic. Given that general etiquette isn't valued, I'll take one of the preferred of advice by @strangemover and transition into mostly daily, limiting my blitz to maybe 2 games a day at most. I will return to more blitz once OTB life resumes and more respectful opponents get back to it. So, I guess that's the end of the thread for me. If you are into mocking and disparaging me, you can go ahead, but you will not get any more replies from me. Thanks for your messages. Peace out.
OTB chess is a lot different than the online chess world...
harthacnut wrote:
I try to be a good sport, but my inclination to resign varies on a case by case basis. Depending on the game I might have formed an impression of my opponent's skill or their "sportsmanship". If the game has been error-strewn or they are making a hash of cleaning up the board, I know that although mate should be forceable, a draw or stalemate is actually up for grabs. If they are very short on time, well, managing the clock is part of the game in blitz, so I don't see anything wrong with putting them to forcing mate within the time limit.
If they have a queen and king versus my king and therefore should be able to force mate trivially but insist on promoting all their other pawns before going in for the kill, I might make them play it out for a while because if they're going to waste my time I'm less inclined not to waste theirs. And if they open with something borderline insulting like e4...Qf3 (and I somehow screw up my response) I'm less inclined to help them out when it comes to the endgame.
Looking at it from the other side, too, except in clear book mate positions, I get much more satisfaction from playing out a checkmate than when an opponent resigns. Having to actually find checkmate is also a good learning tool - I'm not necessarily doing my opponent a favour by resigning. So sometimes if I judge it's the sort of position that were I on the other side, I might want to play out, I might keep going.
But if it 's a player for whom I have some respect and they have plenty of time remaining I will often resign as soon as they gain a decisive advantage, and then request a rematch.
That makes sense. Especially the part about promoting to extra queens. If someone is going to waste time doing that, there is every reason to believe they are not yet ready carry out an earlier mate with fewer pieces. So delaying the game actually helps both parties. It helps the side with more pieces, they can practice their mating technique (they need it). And it helps the side that's losing, they now have a real chance at a draw.
Dec 18, 2020
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#954
lfPatriotGames wrote:
harthacnut wrote:
I try to be a good sport, but my inclination to resign varies on a case by case basis. Depending on the game I might have formed an impression of my opponent's skill or their "sportsmanship". If the game has been error-strewn or they are making a hash of cleaning up the board, I know that although mate should be forceable, a draw or stalemate is actually up for grabs. If they are very short on time, well, managing the clock is part of the game in blitz, so I don't see anything wrong with putting them to forcing mate within the time limit.
If they have a queen and king versus my king and therefore should be able to force mate trivially but insist on promoting all their other pawns before going in for the kill, I might make them play it out for a while because if they're going to waste my time I'm less inclined not to waste theirs. And if they open with something borderline insulting like e4...Qf3 (and I somehow screw up my response) I'm less inclined to help them out when it comes to the endgame.
Looking at it from the other side, too, except in clear book mate positions, I get much more satisfaction from playing out a checkmate than when an opponent resigns. Having to actually find checkmate is also a good learning tool - I'm not necessarily doing my opponent a favour by resigning. So sometimes if I judge it's the sort of position that were I on the other side, I might want to play out, I might keep going.
But if it 's a player for whom I have some respect and they have plenty of time remaining I will often resign as soon as they gain a decisive advantage, and then request a rematch.
That makes sense. Especially the part about promoting to extra queens. If someone is going to waste time doing that, there is every reason to believe they are not yet ready carry out an earlier mate with fewer pieces. So delaying the game actually helps both parties. It helps the side with more pieces, they can practice their mating technique (they need it). And it helps the side that's losing, they now have a real chance at a draw.
Uh I usually promote two queens because its a lot faster than way especially in blitz and bullet when you don't have time to pre move with only 1 queen.
Dec 18, 2020
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#955
You might end up moving too fast at the end when you have 2 seconds left
Dec 18, 2020
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#956
Well yes . Sometimes in blitz I promote to two queens. Not in an attempt to have fun or troll as some others...but to make it easier to mate. Thats the roller mate or whatever its called
wornaki wrote:
Also, we'll also see if I get any respect sooner than 2000. Although, based on your rating I guess I do well in not respecting your opinion. ;)
Right. Nobody respects my opinions either, because I'm rated under 2000. That 2 at the front of the rating makes a big difference. I have been playing chess for 48 years though, have studied the game for much of that time and I used to be a club and tournament player, so a few people still value my opinions.
@strangemover chess online, not unlike many sports/games is much more interesting and rich as an experience when it's played in the best way. It's a shame that one has to go through a lot of mud to find a pearl... Maybe at some point I'll be strong enough in blitz that I'll rarely have to play that kind of ugly chess.
No, you won't get stronger in blitz unless you practice tactics all day, every day. Blitz is all about speed, tactics and memorizing variations. If that's not your cup of tea, then you should be playing much longer games.
He thinks his weakness is openings. He is delusional. His tactical play and endgames are weak. Openings don't matter at 1000-1200 elo. Not dropping a piece, does.