4 Wins : Here is How Morphy, Dr Tarrasch, Nimzovich and Dr Lasker Would Have Done It

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JFSebastianKnight

...and I would also go for c6 

kamalakanta

1.c6 for me.

RoaringPawn
Flickas wrote:

I will take a shot at this although I am a deprived Nebraskan who has never visited any of the lands of the fabulous Austrian Hungarian empire (Alas!). Dr, Tarrasch playing white would move Rd8, proclaim check and rising from his chair like a resplendent peacock flower at the mere mortals spectating. Poor Nimzovich, playing black, would look up from the notes he has been scribbling, and realizing that Kh7 doesn’t work—Re7 + followed by Rh8 is mate—plays Rg8. Tarrasch plays Kf7. Morphy looks up from his game, realizes there is not an attractive woman anywhere and returns home to fabulous New Orleans like a sensible chap. (I have been to New Orleans and walked by Morphy’s house!) Nimzo sighs “My system needs a little work” and takes the rook on d8. Tarrasch then slams the rook down on h6 and yells MATE! At this point Roaring Pawn rushes into the room and says “Flickas, baby, honey that’s only one variation.” At this point, Roaring smells the stench of an extremely cheap cigar and hears Dr. Lasker drawl “Who needs two? It’s common sense. If you find a variation that works don’t waste your time looking for another.”

Ha ha ha, it's great to hear such a wonderful address from a Nebraska cornhusker

A propos Morphy and his, erm tendencies (highlighted above), he really wasn't picky. Even the Queen would do

Here Paul Charles was playing, erm flirting (and gallantly losing) to Queen Victoria in the gardens of Buckingham Palace in 1859, just to achieve his ends

Paul Morphy and Queen Victoria

SOSOonagain

You learn something new every day! I had no idea that Morphy played chess with Queen Victoria, or that he had that kind of reputation.

RoaringPawn
SOSOonagain wrote:

You learn something new every day! I had no idea that Morphy played chess with Queen Victoria, or that he had that kind of reputation.

Played? Play? The best player ever losing to Victoria (er, well, her name IS victorious, hmm)

But, still that looks like a (for)play to me

JFSebastianKnight

It is always the same. Cherchez la femme!

 

Think this photo may have caused Staunton to suffer from serious fits of jealousy.

rolsrojs

I see only one way, so I would be glad to hear an explanation how can be Morphy's or somebody else's way.

For me simple plan is go for Re1 with threat Rh1+. But there are two problems to achieve this. It is Ra6+ and white king must be moved. The same Ra6 is problem after Rd1, in that case Re6 is pined and exchanged. So simple and logical conclusion is that only one way to block 6th rank  can be this:

C6! and only one respond is bxc6 due to threat cxb7 and queening. Only then can be moved Re1 but Rh2 saves from Rh1+. Yes, but then Re8# delivers mate. In case of playing anything else instead Rh2 white gives check Rh1+ and Rd8#

Only simple variation of this

line num. 1) c6 bxc6,Re1 Rh2, Re8# can be this

line num. 2) :c6 bxc6, Re8+ Rg8, Re1 and following Rh1+(if black goes Rf8+ then Rf7 )with Rd8# 

So, only one correct move in the diagram is c6. If Morphy can do it better I am eager to hear it😁

RoaringPawn
bumiputra wrote:

It is always the same. Cherchez la femme!

 

Think this photo may have caused Staunton to suffer from serious fits of jealousy.

Oui. 
En pensant à cela, une question me vient à l’esprit:

Quel’est la differance entre la petite Marie-Françoise de dix ans, et Marie-Françoise de vingt ans?

SOSOonagain
rolsrojs skrev:

I see only one way, so I would be glad to hear an explanation how can be Morphy's or somebody else's way.

For me simple plan is go for Re1 with threat Rh1+. But there are two problems to achieve this. It is Ra6+ and white king must be moved. The same Ra6 is problem after Rd1, in that case Re6 is pined and exchanged. So simple and logical conclusion is that only one way to block 6th rank  can be this:

C6! and only one respond is bxc6 due to threat cxb7 and queening. Only then can be moved Re1 but Rh2 saves from Rh1+. Yes, but then Re8# delivers mate. In case of playing anything else instead Rh2 white gives check Rh1+ and Rd8#

Only simple variation of this

line num. 1) c6 bxc6,Re1 Rh2, Re8# can be this

line num. 2) :c6 bxc6, Re8+ Rg8, Re1 and following Rh1+(if black goes Rf8+ then Rf7 )with Rd8# 

So, only one correct move in the diagram is c6. If Morphy can do it better I am eager to hear it😁

 

Geez, everyone is seeing c6 first. I guess I am just too miserly. I didn't want to give away that pawn, so I tried to make the rook checks on the backrank work. 1. Rd8+ works. Can you see it? The follow up is really pretty.

RoaringPawn
SOSOonagain wrote:
rolsrojs skrev:

I see only one way, so I would be glad to hear an explanation how can be Morphy's or somebody else's way.

For me simple plan is go for Re1 with threat Rh1+. But there are two problems to achieve this. It is Ra6+ and white king must be moved. The same Ra6 is problem after Rd1, in that case Re6 is pined and exchanged. So simple and logical conclusion is that only one way to block 6th rank  can be this:

C6! and only one respond is bxc6 due to threat cxb7 and queening. Only then can be moved Re1 but Rh2 saves from Rh1+. Yes, but then Re8# delivers mate. In case of playing anything else instead Rh2 white gives check Rh1+ and Rd8#

Only simple variation of this

line num. 1) c6 bxc6,Re1 Rh2, Re8# can be this

line num. 2) :c6 bxc6, Re8+ Rg8, Re1 and following Rh1+(if black goes Rf8+ then Rf7 )with Rd8# 

So, only one correct move in the diagram is c6. If Morphy can do it better I am eager to hear it😁

 

Geez, everyone is seeing c6 first. I guess I am just too miserly. I didn't want to give away that pawn, so I tried to make the rook checks on the backrank work. 1. Rd8+ works. Can you see it? The follow up is really pretty.

@rolsrojs @sosoonagain

There are actually three lines, one with a side, so four ways to win

Let’see if anybody else joins before Vuković presents his view

SOSOonagain

We have Rd8+ and c6. I am pretty sure that moves with the king or the rook on e6 doesn't win. So.. That leaves moves with the rook on d7.. If I use my imagination I could propose Td1, Td3 and Tc7 as candidate moves. I am not sure they win though If Tc7 wins I would guess that to be the 'Nimzovich way'. I think he had a reputation for sometimes taking the curcuitous route!

Btw. I am not sure I would have seen the follow-up to Rd8+ if I hadn't been doing tactics puzzles just before I read this. I was sort of primed to look at all moves!

SOSOonagain

I have to go to bed. I am looking forward to hearing Vukovic' narrative tomorrow

RoaringPawn
SOSOonagain wrote:

We have Rd8+ and c6. I am pretty sure that moves with the king or the rook on e6 doesn't win. So.. That leaves moves with the rook on d7.. If I use my imagination I could propose Td1, Td3 and Tc7 as candidate moves. I am not sure they win though If Tc7 wins I would guess that to be the 'Nimzovich way'. I think he had a reputation for sometimes taking the curcuitous route!

Btw. I am not sure I would have seen the follow-up to Rd8+ if I hadn't been doing tactics puzzles just before I read this. I was sort of primed to look at all moves!

Not all of four winning lines should necessarily end up in a quick mating storm

RoaringPawn
SOSOonagain wrote:

I have to go to bed. I am looking forward to hearing Vukovic' narrative tomorrow

Flickas

SoSoonagain Flickas is the name of my favorite cat. My wife named her Flickas because when she was a kitten she ran around in circles and seemed to flicker. 

I think it is interesting others saw the solution with c6 first, reasoning from Re1 as the initial move. I considered Re1 but rejected it quickly because I saw the Ra6 check. Then I reconsidered Rd8 and saw the alternate solution. My experience is that strong amateur players (and even squirrelly players like me who once and a while find an acorn) tend to have individual styles with distinct preferences for particular positions. I remember playing a tournament game against a local master with a reputation for endgame mastery. I dropped a piece for absolutely nothing on the seventh move and too embarrassed to resign kept on playing. He decided to play for an attack against my king. Suddenly, I was doing OK. I found all his moves quite easy to predict and began to wonder if I could survive—when he cleverly gave his extra piece back and just crushed me in the ensuing endgame. 
This is a very nice puzzle and I think Vukovic has an interesting point. I too am looking forward to his explanation.

RoaringPawn
RoaringPawn wrote:

Not all of four winning lines should necessarily end up in a quick mating storm

That is the point, to show different styles and approaches of four great players in a fun way...

rolsrojs
RoaringPawn wrote:
RoaringPawn wrote:

Not all of four winning lines should necessarily end up in a quick mating storm

That is the point, to show different styles and approaches of four great players in a fun way...

 

Yes, that quiet way can be with Re1 and after Ra6 simply Rd6. If Rxd6 cxd6 Rd2 Ke7 pawn costs the rook.

Of course if Ra6 stays there then white takes Rxa6 bxa6 and c6 wins

and if rook goes down the a file to a2 ( to prevent Rh1+ with Rh2) then Rd8+ Rg8 and Rh1+ with mating

This might be the Lasker's way. 

Od course, Rd8+ is correct like @SOSOonagain said, agree with that...should be Morphy's style.

Already mentioned c6 looks like Nimtzowitch.

And number 4 I assume can be Re5.

It is aimed to protect Pc6 and if Ra6 Rd6 with similar idea like with Re1, only this also goes for a taking Pf5...might be Tarash 😊

RoaringPawn
rolsrojs wrote:
RoaringPawn wrote:
RoaringPawn wrote:

Not all of four winning lines should necessarily end up in a quick mating storm

That is the point, to show different styles and approaches of four great players in a fun way...

 

Yes, that quiet way can be with Re1 and after Ra6 simply Rd6. If Rxd6 cxd6 Rd2 Ke7 pawn costs the rook.

Of course if Ra6 stays there then white takes Rxa6 bxa6 and c6 wins

and if rook goes down the a file to a2 ( to prevent Rh1+ with Rh2) then Rd8+ Rg8 and Rh1+ with mating

This might be the Lasker's way. 

Od course, Rd8+ is correct like @SOSOonagain said, agree with that...should be Morphy's style.

Already mentioned c6 looks like Nimtzowitch.

And number 4 I assume can be Re5.

It is aimed to protect Pc6 and if Ra6 Kxf5 with slowly boring winning chances... 

Like I said before there are three lines from the starting position, one has a side line.

So

1. Rd8+

2. c6

3. ??     Has any one mentioned the third option before? 

rolsrojs

 

@RoaringPawn

Like I said before there are three lines from the starting position, one has a side line.

So

1. Rd8+

2. c6

3. ??     Has any one mentioned the third option before? 

Yes I mentioned Re1 in my previous post .

Think that Re5 can be side line of the same idea Ra6 Rd6

RoaringPawn
bumiputra wrote:
SOSOonagain ha scritto:

You shouldn't move the rook on e6 bumiputra. It's your best placed piece. It prevents black from freeing himself with Ra6.

You're right. He has a check from a6...

So maybe Rd3.

RoaringPawn wrote:

Like I said before there are three lines from the starting position, one has a side line.

So

1. Rd8+

2. c6

3. ??     Has any one mentioned the third option before? 

 

Yes, Bumiptra spotted shyly, yet it hasn't caught anybody's attention.

Again, we got

1. Rd8+

2. Rd3

3. c6

and one of these has a sideline

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Eh, those were the times, days and weeks over the pond, so plenty of time (and drinks!) for chess...