B vs. N Game #1

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gimmewuchagot

Why don't we evaluate the starting position with a computer? I bet it might be something like (-0.5).

MrDamonSmith

Maybe. But you need to play the games out completely because we all know evaluations change. Computers just can't come to an accurate conclusion from that positon

VULPES_VULPES
gimmewuchagot wrote:

It doesn't really matter whether there are 7 pieces or 2 pieces. Bishops are better in an open position like the starting position.

But if there are two bishops of opposite colour squares, it leaves them more vulnerable to attack because they are isolated, and the one-colour-square weakness can be exploited through the power of the knight fork.

Atomic_Rift

Definitely black is better from the start.

gimmewuchagot

Apparently, Fritz 11 can't accept positions that have 3+ knights or bishops... so I just did positions with 0,1, and 2 knights/bishops. My results:

0 minor pieces: (0.11, 120 seconds)

1 minor piece: (-0.04, average time of 10 random setups, 15 seconds each)

2 minor pieces: (-0.40, average time of 4 random setups [I was in a hurry], 15 seconds each)

BigDoggProblem

If this turns into a big engine-analysis fest, I'm going to abandon the game. Yell

gimmewuchagot

No, I was just testing. So it looks like the more minor pieces, the bigger advantage for the bishops. And people who are playing the games, please don't use engines. Please.

VULPES_VULPES
gimmewuchagot wrote:

No, I was just testing. So it looks like the more minor pieces, the bigger advantage for the bishops. And people who are playing the games, please don't use engines. Please.

Hence my advice of Knights -> trade ; Bishops -> don't trade

2a3a1a

Sorry! I'm late!

ViktorHNielsen

Very interesting. I think I prefer the knights, maybe I'mnot very objective. 

VULPES_VULPES
2a3a1a wrote:

Sorry! I'm late!

Quick! Make your move!

gimmewuchagot

Or else I'm taking over! ;P

2a3a1a

10. ... Bg7

Sorry, but Internet is getting slow for the computer, I have to use the iPad.

=(

VULPES_VULPES

BigDoggProblem

11.Nb5

VULPES_VULPES

Go for the trade!

2a3a1a

11. ... d5


VULPES_VULPES

Not the pawn trade!

BigDoggProblem

12.exd5

2a3a1a

12. ... exd5