Bishop or Knight is more valuable?

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Raven-Ivy-Serena

Hmmm oh yeah thanks!

ThePsychoKitten
AunTheKnight wrote:
GalaxyWolfGX wrote:

bishop

No.

its bishop most of the time

but sometimes knight ok?

no need war

AunTheKnight
denniskhlee wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
GalaxyWolfGX wrote:

bishop

No.

its bishop most of the time

but sometimes knight ok?

no need war

No. 

KeSetoKaiba
Raven-Ivy-Serena wrote:
KeSetoKaiba wrote:

The Bishop vs Knight discussion is an old one, but I'll give a decently in-depth response since you probably never saw those discussions...

Very wise 😱 thanks for the explanation!

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KeSetoKaiba
verylate wrote:

Bishops can also be very useful in semi-closed positions where the centre is not rigidly fixed. If there is potential for pawn breaks, the Bs have a lot of potential energy even though they are hiding for a while behind pawns that are not yet ready to advance. It's as though they were saying, "the flashy knights may have nice outpost squares now, but just wait until the pawns push them back and threaten to open the centre. Time is on our side" And the knights know this, so they are constantly looking for something to attack NOW, because when the initiative runs out, so does their luck. 

This is true, but of course my version of Knights vs Bishops was simplified. There are other differences which I'm virtually certain someone of your chess rating also understands the nuances for. Some examples:

-Knights generally make better blockaders of passed pawns

-Bishops typically do better at blockading long pawn chains

-In endgames, Bishops are usually preferred when there are pawns on both flanks whereas Knights are usually preferred when there are pawns on only one part of the chess board (since Bishops can zoom across the board much quicker than Knights can travel) 

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Raven-Ivy-Serena

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Raven-Ivy-Serena
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
Raven-Ivy-Serena wrote:
KeSetoKaiba wrote:

The Bishop vs Knight discussion is an old one, but I'll give a decently in-depth response since you probably never saw those discussions...

Very wise 😱 thanks for the explanation!

Happy to help

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gregory9310

It depends on the position. In open positions, the bishop's diagonals are open and allow it to control far more squares than the maximum 8 squares a knight can control. But in closed positions where the bishop's diagonals are blocked by pawn chains, the knight's ability to jump over pieces is fer more useful, making it more valuable. I prefer Bishops, but it depends on both your style and the position.

Raven-Ivy-Serena

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Damasan2006

Sack_o_Potatoes

Knight, bishops totally suck at making forks.

Sack_o_Potatoes
Aswin_Senpai wrote:

In endgame

If you have 2 bishop we can checkmate

But with two knight we can't checkmate

Ok, good point

AunTheKnight
 Aswin_Senpai wrote:

So bishop is slightly better than knight

Bishops can’t do smothered mates.

 

I guess knights are better. 

 

That’s your logic.

lokatzi

The value of a piece is dependent on the position it is in. For example, if you have a pawn on the 7th rank and your opponent has no way of stopping its promotion it has the same value as a queen. Except maybe if your opponent can mate you right now. Then its value is zero. See?

The values commonly ascribed to the pieces are sort of an average over a very large number of positions based on experience. In a given position the value of a piece can be much higher or much lower than this hypothetical average. There are positions that are favorable for a knight and there are positions that are favorable for a bishop. You will have to get a feel for what these positions are and then you will be able to make better decisions re their exchange in a given position based on your own experience.

There is a set of lessons on this topic here:

https://www.chess.com/lessons/make-the-most-of-your-pieces

DerekDHarvey

Two Bishops is clear. Lots of complicated argument and theory here. As Knights eat pawns they become weaker. As Bishops eat pawns they become stronger. So the answer to the question is that it depends on how many pawns are on the board. If they are immobile then Knights are better and if they are mobile then Bishops are better. The big difference between the pieces is that a Knight can be replaced by the other Knight but not so with the Bishops. Bishops can fork, pin and skewer but Knights can only fork. Linnear and non-linnear (unblockable). I would avoid a Bishop and Knight v King endgame at all costs even though I know the theory.

DerekDHarvey

Chess: DerekDHarvey vs predadan79 - 326504024 - Chess.com I managed to swindle a draw due to the 50 moves rule with BNKvK but I had to claim it as we do in OTB>

mantine73

Has thou ever heard of bad bishops and bad knights? That determines when thee should make a trade.

zaxattacks

bishop by far

 

purrplekittycat
Knight. You can only kill a 👸🏻 using a knight. The only piece that moves weirdly is the knight. Really, in my opinion a knight is almost as good as a 👸🏻
AunTheKnight
purrplekittycat wrote:
Knight. You can only kill a 👸🏻 using a knight. The only piece that moves weirdly is the knight. Really, in my opinion a knight is almost as good as a 👸🏻

What?