Illegal Position Contest!

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cobra91
polarbeer wrote:

  I was happy this morning to see that a forum exists already for them (except cobra’s magnificent baroque creations are making my head spin!).

Any analysis to offer for one or two of them? Wink

polarbeer

@cobra91. The third position is legal, upside down board, which is why all those black pieces are missing, offered up as through-ways for the white pawns. I'll give your boards a good go next week, but I think they might be too much for me tbh

 

cheers

polarbeer

In the fourth one the easiest way to show move order is to think of white and black squares, as every move by each player had to swap a piece from a black to white square or vice versa

greypenguin
AChessPlayer2016 wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:
AChessPlayer2016 wrote:

So illegal.

I don't think so 

 

I forgot to say "Black to move".

Not right

 

 

RelaxPanos
polarbeer wrote:
 

That one is legal 100%

cobra91
polarbeer wrote:

@cobra91. The third position is legal, upside down board, which is why all those black pieces are missing, offered up as through-ways for the white pawns.

lol Laughing

That's why I always include board coordinates in my diagrams - otherwise, there'd be at least one person claiming my constructed positions were easily legal, and posting proof games of their 180-degree rotations. However, when others omit board coordinates, I tend to assume they just forgot to include them, and that h1 is intended to be in the lower-right corner. Nobody ever posts flipped diagrams in these kinds of threads, and I've never seen a flipped diagram posted anywhere without specifying the orientation of the board in some way. So your 3rd position was definitely "cruel and unusual". Tongue Out

graysandwich

dariuscmk wrote:
AChessPlayer2016 wrote:
Typewriter44 wrote:
AChessPlayer2016 wrote:

So illegal.

I don't think so 

 

I forgot to say "Black to move".

Not right

 

 

Like this 

 

cobra91
polarbeer wrote:

In the fourth one the easiest way to show move order is to think of white and black squares, as every move by each player had to swap a piece from a black to white square or vice versa

Yes, the proof is as old as time, so I wasn't going to waste space by spelling the whole thing out.

polarbeer wrote:

@cobra91 [...] I'll give your boards a good go next week, but I think they might be too much for me tbh

All but two of the positions I posted have already been proven as illegal, leaving just these:

SHRDLU

 

 

cobra91: The first one must be illegal. Both white and black need at least 7 pawns to get 2 extra rooks, 2 extra knights and 3 extra light squared bishops. 2+2+3=7. Assuming that 1 pawn walked straight to the other side through a pawnhole on the d- or e-file in the enemy's camp, than the second has to capture one piece to go through that same hole, the third has to capture 2 pieces, etc, which gives 3+2+1+0 (the pawn walking straight through the hole in the opponents camp)+0 (the pawn captured by the opponent to make a hole)+1+2+3=12 captured pieces. The only pieces that could have been captured, at best, are: 1 black-squared bishop, 1 queen and 1 pawn = 3 pieces. I say "at best" which is the case when both parties still have the original 2 knights, 2 rooks and 1 light-squared bishop. Since 12 must have been captured and only 3 could have been captured leaves this position illegal. Ammiright?

The second one ... the second one gives me a headache. Anyway, I like these puzzles. Thanks.

Travkusken

 

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cobra91 wrote:
polarbeer wrote:

In the fourth one the easiest way to show move order is to think of white and black squares, as every move by each player had to swap a piece from a black to white square or vice versa

Yes, the proof is as old as time, so I wasn't going to waste space by spelling the whole thing out.

polarbeer wrote:

@cobra91 [...] I'll give your boards a good go next week, but I think they might be too much for me tbh

All but two of the positions I posted have already been proven as illegal, leaving just these:

 

 

it's illegal because  the pawns that would promote wouldn't be able to get past each other without capturing each other

AChessPlayer2016

 

Typewriter44

I think its Illegal

lovechess2016

illegal

lovechess2016

right?

lovechess2016

KR6/r7/r7/kR6/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

lovechess2016
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Typewriter44

DUH

realybadchess
Typewriter44 wrote:

I think its Illegal

legal

graysandwich