Illegal Position Contest!

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MrCharlyy

Thanks nice workthumbup!!!

EvinSung
Java
Easy.
n9531l1
JavaScript781 wrote:
Easy.

Too easy.

Leither123
Java
Leither123 wrote:
 

this one feels legal

but i dont know

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Turns out this position is illegal:

It's legal if it's a Rook on b3 and a pawn on c2, but not the other way around.

Leither123
JavaScript781 wrote:

this one feels legal

but i dont know

I have done some tests that make me fairly confident that it is illegal, but I could be wrong, just like how EvinSung proved my previous position was legal.

Try to construct a proof game, and see if it is possible; then you will know.

n9531l1
Leither123 wrote:

I have done some tests that make me fairly confident that it is illegal, but I could be wrong...(#7625)

I think you're safe with this one. After three retractions, Black has no retraction to undo the check by the a4 bishop.

Arisktotle
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Turns out this position is illegal:

It's legal if it's a Rook on b3 and a pawn on c2, but not the other way around.

Blathy's creation is legal, even in the full setting with the knight on e1. We are sure though that at least one promotion has taken place. On which square?

EvinSung
n9531l1 wrote:
Leither123 wrote:

I have done some tests that make me fairly confident that it is illegal, but I could be wrong...(#7625)

I think you're safe with this one. After three retractions, Black has no retraction to undo the check by the a4 bishop.

rc4 to b4

EvinSung

updated 7622

EvinSung
Leither123 wrote:7625
 

there is also f3xg4

n9531l1
EvinSung wrote:
n9531l1 wrote:
Leither123 wrote:

I have done some tests that make me fairly confident that it is illegal, but I could be wrong...(#7625)

I think you're safe with this one. After three retractions, Black has no retraction to undo the check by the a4 bishop.

rc4 to b4

I had just realized I overlooked a retraction and made a proof game, but you've already posted one. I'll show mine, since it's shorter.

EndgameEnthusiast2357
Arisktotle wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Turns out this position is illegal:

It's legal if it's a Rook on b3 and a pawn on c2, but not the other way around.

Blathy's creation is legal, even in the full setting with the knight on e1. We are sure though that at least one promotion has taken place. On which square?

Oh I didn't think of that..white could promote one of the edge pawns to something which could then provide a capture.

Arisktotle
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Oh I didn't think of that..white could promote one of the edge pawns to something which could then provide a capture.

RRRRRRight! (that is to say only one promotion square is certain) If I were to write down the hints for retrograde solving, that trick would be in the top 3!

Arisktotle
Leither123 wrote:

I keep missing those discovered checks, but this should fix everything:

You can uncapture a rook or knight on black's first retraction move which makes it (narrowly) legal.

KieferSmith

In position #7636, black's rook starting on h8 was clearly captured by a white piece on its starting square or on g8, because black's dark-squared bishop was never able to get off its starting square with pawns still on g7 and e7.

Arisktotle
KieferSmith wrote:

In position #7636, black's rook starting on h8 was clearly captured by a white piece on its starting square or on g8, because black's dark-squared bishop was never able to get off its starting square with pawns still on g7 and e7.

True and we already "rectified the count" (bridge term) for that! The hard issues are on other places.

Creeperbot33