A position to evaluate

The position is:

So:

What would your evaluation of the position be? (And please give the reasons why!). Do note that it is Black to move.

I don't have a "correct answer", so please don't expect one - I'm just looking for people's opinions!

first thing I will guess, is KG, missing f and d pawns are telling as is the King position, and the material looks slightly in whites favor, white should play Nbd4 Qd2 and lastly Ng5 to take black's Backward e pawn Kh2 should also be considered to free up the Light Squared Bishop.

Aha, what if I told you the first move was actually ... 1.Nf3! :p

But thanks for your evaluation. I'm not sure White will be able to get in Nbd4 though, by the way, since Black's first move will likely be ...c5. I agree that it could be argued that the two knights will be better in some positions than the rook and extra pawn though (materialwise).

I'm slightly favouring white since in these types of closed pawn games I find the knights are very valuable.  But with c5 as its next move, black can start to make some serious trouble, block the knight's development and open up some space for the bishop and queen. I give a slight edge to white, but still an open game for the taking.

I feel like this is a game you're currently playing... but im too lazy to check all 45 games of yours :/ Anyways, ill hep analyze it regardless. :)

So black's plan should be to play Bb7 and try to open up that diagonal to apply pressure. Also, the natural ...c5 gaining more space is good for black.

So, id say Bb7 then d4! followed by c5 to defend it 

@jposthuma - don't worry, this is a position I reached in analysis of a finished game!

Yes, I was wondering whether the long diagonal is anything for Black. But as far as I can see White just goes Kh2 and there isn't really much in my opinion. I mean, it kind of pins the knight to the f2 square since then Black could infiltrate ... perhaps. Maybe more concrete lines would be a way to start here.

@zorba_ca - I think your point about the knights maybe having few good squares in the centre is a good one - it was one of the things which made me wonder whether Black has something to work with here.

I think id rather be black. He will play c5, Ba6, then double rooks on the F file. c5 really cramps up blacks knights etc

white king and bishop just look retarded, lol

Ok Waller, this is my evaluation:

     Black

• LS Bishop is a bad one
• f Rook attacking Knight on f3
• King looks well procted
• having better coordinated pieces
• only the e pawn is kind of ....well.....weakness
• down a piece
• looks active

     White

• LS Bishop is a bad bishop at the moment
• The King looks exposed
• e pawn is a isolated lone ranger pawn (by no means it is a weak)
• up a piece

This is a bit tricky poition.  Black is active & if it can keep that way, it should win.  However, should white get all his pieces active, victory will be his. It will be fun to play as white (defending & then, if given a chance, counterattack) & black (attack & making sure of being active while not letting white to activate itself).  I still remember losing to someone despite being a piece up because his pieces was more active than mine & he kept that the whole game.

nice eval

Black got R vs N+N, but White has a weak centre as well as a disturbed kingside position. White should push the knights away AND attack the king as fast as possible:

1...c5! 2.c3 Bb7 3.Kh2 a5! 4. a4 d4!! and black is much better!!!

Black has a better position after c5!, with a nice queenside push.

What I would say:

Black has two minors for the rook, so an advantage there. However, they're knights whereas a single rook is sufficient mating force.  still, there are pawns on so the knights are stronger for the time being. 

White has the extra pawn

White's e-pawn is advanced and therefore an obvious target of attack for the endgame.

c5+d5 coordinate nicely and grab some center.  Also preventing Nd4.

White Nb3 somewhat out of play

Terrible bishop, and white must move the king to activate it.

Considering the Rf8 the black king has an easier time coming closer to center.

Rc1 is planning to chip away at d5 so be careful.

Black is likely slightly better, candidates include Ba6, c5, and Qd7.  Black's goal from here is to connect the rooks and restrict potential counterplay from white. 

1...c5 2.c4,Bb7 3.cxd4,Qxd4 4.Qxd4 forced 4...Bxd4 with pressure against the knight, this is my primary variation.  It's unclear, maybe slightly better for black, the candidate passed c-pawn is a plus for black.  Yes, black is better here.  4...exd4 and the passed pawn and blocked bishop give white some counterplay. 

1...Ba6 bishop doesn't do much on this diagonal, though it does help connect the rooks. Still, white has Nd4, which is strong.

2.c4 may not be forced, what about 2.Kh2? 2...Bb7 seems fine, I can't see a tactical refutation of 1...c5.  

1...c5 is my final move. 

I agree that c5/Bb7 looks like the natural continuation for black, giving a strong queenside (although with white's pawns unmoved he may be good to hold it off when he repositions his knight) and control over the long diagonal to the exposed king. I'm not certain I would say that black is better, theoretically, but it may be a slightly easier position to play. White's isolated e-pawn looks quite strong as there's no easy way for Black to eliminate it and it does act as a thorn into Black's territory.

I think black is a better since the white pieces are kinda strangely placed like the king on g2 makes a black bishop on b7 look good and also the h1 bishop looks a bit inactive.

The white knight is attacked too and whites pieces seem uncoordinated.

Black also has a reasonable pawn structure.

Saluang - if you're just looking to embarass waller, it's not going to work. It's a game - you win some and you lose some, even at the highest levels. Every real competitor understands that and posting a bunch of unrelated losses on someone else's thread is only denigrating to yourself.

Saluang_Tewei

You have a typical Indonesian mindset...clap...clap...clap

Yeah, he's doing it for a reason - the above guy has spammed the forums for ages over multiple accounts, with his countless threads of crappy bullet games that he wins and badmouthing his opponents - so I did troll him a little first by posting some of his losses that I found instructive. Haha, I guess this is a fair comeback. Have blocked him now anyway!

From the position with Black to move, 1...c4 hemming in the Ns temporarily, denying the access to d4, and establishing a 4 vs. 3 pawn majority on the Q-side for Black. Black has a R+pawn for the 2 Ns. But, the pawn structure is open, not good for the Ns. And White's B is trapped in the corner. It will take White at least 3 tempii to get the B back into the game. The White K is in a weakened castled position. Black's K is in a slightly weakened castled position. Black has control of the only open file in the position, the f-file, with his R at f8. Both Black and White have an isolated pawn. White pawn at e5, Black pawn at e6 forming a ram with no half-open files leading to either pawn. The Black pawn at e6 will interfere with his piece coordination. I like Black's position, that is my evaluation