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F1N1TY

I'm wondering how to best approach analyzing this game from a single position.  It was played by me, OTB, versus a nearly 2000 rated player.  It's blacks move.  If anyone could tell me how to analyze this with Chessmaster Grandmaster Edition, I would be very thankful ;).  Any member analysis would be helpful as well.

MoonlessNight

What do YOU think about this position?

OldHastonian

Seems a pretty static game so far, can't see much past a6, g6 or other such waiting move.

F1N1TY
nate23 wrote:

What do YOU think about this position?

My opponent and I didn't have much time for analysis afterward, but we both felt it was rather drawish (this position was never reached as he actually hung the knight rather than playing f4 to defend it).

Although I have a material advantage, it's hard for me to see how to actually capitalize on this.  My king is hard to dislodge, unless I play Rf6 first, then walk along the 8th rank.  

I'd really like to see how a computer evaluates this position, but I don't see how to do that with Chessmaster.  Perhaps I'll have to look into a different engine altogether.

eddysallin

drawish....very nice against a 2000 rating. well done

Timmy62

Very equal, position, maybe slight edge for black, but its hard to see how any progress can be made. I dont know  about chessmaster, but personally I use Arena together with Houdini, both are free and very easy to use, Id recomend that.

waffllemaster
F1N1TY wrote:

I'm wondering how to best approach analyzing this game from a single position.

 

Ok, well right or wrong, if you're interested in my thought process this is literally how I looked at it...

1st the material count:  White has a knight and pawn for a rook.

2nd looked at piece and pawn values.  Pieces for activity and pawns for passed.  I see white's knight is ~a rook value and each side has a passed pawn.

3rd Evaluate heavy piece endgame in general esp. looking at king safety.  Both kings are ~equal safety in heavy piece endgame... basically assessing plausibility of RxN at some point.

All that was just a quick static evaluation.  Material count and basic adjustments.

Now more specific stuff.  I looked at weak points for both sides... things that may generate play for the opponent.  For white I see d5 may be pressured and c5 is a passer.  Looking specifically though I can't see black building enough on d5 to matter, and I don't see him building enough on the c file to push.  The other pawn is e3.  But with a knight on e5 I'm wary of making a long rook maneuver to e4 to try and pressure it.

Next is the open file.  If black can play Rb8-c4-e4 that may be an idea, but I don't know if he can leave his king alone like that.

Next was pawn sac with c5-c4.  Can I divert the knight in a useful way?  I didn't see a configuration where this was useful.

Now for black's position.  Immediately we notice the light squares around black's king.  g6 and f7 especially.  However I don't see a useful queen and knight coordination.  Now can f5 be pressured to force g6 (a further weakening).  I don't see a way.

Next is the c5 pawn may be pressured.  This is more reasonable with say Qc5 or Qb4 and the white queen looks better than it's counterpart.

Next is the b file.  b7 or c6 may be a useful infiltration point.  If we can force the a pawn to move, maybe we can use b6 too.  However I don't see a way to do this either.

So far I'm thinking white looks a little better because black's queen looks unhappy.  I also think the main weaknesses listed don't offer either side much play.  It does look like black is a bit on the defensive though.

So now I'm looking for black, and went back to the idea of RxN to "sac" the material back as the heavy piece endgame looks ~equal.

So final conclusion is white can't quite escape this idea at some point because black's weaknesses don't offer much play.  After black picks that moment it should be ~equal.  Black can also simply make a fortress and wait and see how far that gets him.

Houdini says small advantage to white, at just under 0.30  This may be a bit optimistic for white, but I don't think it's too far off as the white queen looks a bit happier.

In a real game instead of Houdini it would be time to look at some specific lines, at which point I may discover difficult ideas to defend or an easy fortress etc.  Who knows.

F1N1TY

Sorry for the hugely delayed response, my job has kept me super busy.  I appreciate the analysis, and I'm glad I posted this up here.  After looking at it now, I definitely see white having the tiniest advantage because of moves like Nc4, and Qa5 but perhaps under best play, black could hold the draw.

Thanks again!

Irontiger

I don't trust Houdini on this one. He is notoriously bad for endgames, and for having seen him at work on chessbomb during the Candidates, it was painful.

This being said, I agree the position is about equal ; at first I thought Black was better because he has a good deal of active plans - activate the rooks via the b file, push the c pawn, or even sacrifice the exchange back - but there seem to be tricks for White too. For example, 1...Rb8 (?) 2.Qh5 looks strong.