bishops or knights?

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TKisDApoop

i was playing a game last night, a really good one. we had the same amount of points, my defence was solid and the only difference b/t his material and my material was that he had 2 knights and i had 2 bishops... we both had our queen and rooks were gone..(cant remember how).. same amount of pawns and everything.. but when it started getting deeper in the mid game, my bishop superiority started having some serious problems... this was because while my 2 bishops were lone assassins, his to knights were the impenetrable duo (in other words his 2 knights could protect  each other will my 2 bishops couldnt) so, this takes me 2 my question, would u rather have 2 knights against 2 bishops or 2 bishops against 2 knights? now this diagram isnt exactly like my game but, its just to show the  knight duo... let me know which u prefer... also i guess you can finalize all the ^^^^^^ b/s by the simple question, which is better, a knight or a bishop


Immortal_Misfit

not to sure on that one

 

bradyj
I'd prefer the knights against the bishops as long as I still have my queen.
TheJackOfSpades
Depends on the game. Usually, for the beginning and mid game, I prefer bishops. End game, however, the knight is so much more versatile, in my experiance.
danotoriusrob
Knights are probably my favorite piece so I would rather the knights.  I think its completely a matter of preference though, theres been plenty of times where I would of rather had a bishop/s and vise versa.
sirsc
I'll take knights any day
Rauros

That is a tough one. I would think that in an endgame (based on what I've heard) the bishop pair is stronger, as there is open space for the bishops to control. About that problem you say with the knights protecting each other, bringing your king in to attack the knight with the bishop could cause the knights some problems.

 I've never encountered such a situation, but I would go with the bishop pair because they are much quicker.

 Bishop or knight in general? Depends on the situation


imaniheadcoach
Knights...  Absolutely
depthshaman
bishop pair. nothing like teo bishops side by side. Keep their distance and keep your king pinned to the pawns. They can give long range protection wheras a knight gaurding a pawn can be pushed off quickly by an advancing king. Also, a knight can't trap a bishop, wheras a knight in a corner can be trapped by a bishop

TKisDApoop
i guess the problem was that i never thought about bringing in my king, but his king was still protecting the knights so im pretty sure it would of be conflicting... Frown
likesforests

"i guess you can finalize all the ^^^^^^ b/s by the simple question, which is better, a knight or a bishop"

 

It completely depends on the position--one can only accurately answer which piece is better with respect to a specific position or type of position. The bishop pair, however, is usually an advantage... as proven by Kauffman's statistical analysis.

 

There are already many threads discussing this topic:


http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/bishop-or-knight-having-more-power


http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/witch-is-the-best-a-bishop-or-a-knight

 


Lord-Svenstikov

Bishops over knights in pretty much every situation for me.

I find bishops are my favourite pieces.

fk80
About what is better,a knight or a bishop:theory says if there are pawns on both sides of the board a bishop is better than the knight because is quicker to go from one side to another.Also, two bishops alone mate,two knights dont mate if the correct moves are played.
Manipulated

1. Bishops can dominate a knight on the rim or in the corner. A knight cannot dominate a bishop in open area.

2. Bishops are long ranged knights need more time to move.

3. When the game is open bishops are better when the game is closed knight are better.

4. A knight can fork pieces easily, but it cannot fork two bishops of opposite color.

5. A bishop can fork the knights.

6. Knights can protect eachothers, but this reduces their mobility. They kind of repeat themselves. Bishops cannot protect eachother directly.

7. Knights are very good defenders.

8. A pair of bishop is often an advantage.

9. The emplacement of the knight is important, in an outpost the knight is better, on the rim it is often dim.

10. A bishop can only move and guard 1 color for the whole game. A knight can have influence on all cases.

11. A knight can be completly safe from a bishop if on the opposite color in an outpost. 

12. In a closed game the bishop is blocked by it's own pawn/pieces. 

13. A bishop can pin/skewer a piece. 

 These are some general guidelines when you want to know which piece is better and if you should keep it or trade it. It always depends on what you have on the board. Sometimes knights are better, sometimes bishop are more useful. 


TKisDApoop
well, that was alot of input in 1 comment, thanks.. but i think you have to also consider ones playing style.. like me, i dont really have a style.. i just have my opening moves and then i find weak points and attack, but its not that simple (to hard to explain) anyways, if players are more defencive, knights might b their fancy.. offence, it might be bishops, there is no right or wrong, it just kind of baffles me that chess has been so deeply analyzed and the conclusion is that knights and bishops = exactly the same... i mean like there has 2 be some difference on the points scale.. even if only  3.5 or somthing.. you know..
miles-moran

knights. u can atack a peice with one, but they cant atack you. except for other knights.

TKisDApoop
also, those giude lines have helped me.. i will take bishops...Smile..i think..Embarassed
Clintaf
I prefer bishops, but I often get them trapped in tight middle games.  I agree with one of the previous posts...bishops are better in the end game.
guarana


I like knights, but I am fairly green so my opinion on the matter may not have too much weight.

The reason I like knights is because they are easier to use so that your opponent has a difficult time dealing with them or anticipating where they might go next. This is probably partially because I am playing against other green players.

Bishops are good also, especially at getting past a pawn structure, but the fact that they can not change the colour of the space they are on bothers me in the late game. Knights bother me in the late game as well, but mostly for their limited mobility.


KingFork
Bishops usually are a huge advantage for me in endgames.  They each have their merits but I suppose it comes down to each situation and individual preference.  Mine is Bishops.