Brilliant Moves in New Game Analysis Report

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Cornfed
BanaynaMaster wrote:

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did you tell brilliant moves

Yes

WAITIHAVE10SECONDSONCLOCK
Cornfed wrote:
WAITIHAVE10SECONDSONCLOCK wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
WAITIHAVE10SECONDSONCLOCK wrote:

ok I just want to say, to get a brilliant move you have to play a move that is not necessarly the best, but that either sacrifices a piece/pawn or that is very hard to find like a random king move in an engame (there are more). You also have to be either going to lose or draw or the second best move if you're winning has a like maximum +2 advantage (-2 for black ig).

I would bet if you run 2600+ players games thru the process you would probably find those as !! But a 900 level players !! is a far different thing. You have to give them some '!!'s ' too...

What is this supposed to mean ?

It's simple really: The criteria for a !! (has...can't say for certain now) been different between very highly rated players and very bad players. Read back in the thread, there is a lot of discussion about it.

Got it, I understand now. Looks like you're more familiar with brilliant moves than me haha. Thank you I learned a lot.

James_Bartos

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/pgn/4CEyg8NB7U?tab=review

Rxc3 was brilliant.

NotSoGood613

My first brilliant

Cornfed
NotSoGood613 wrote:

My first brilliant

You are already up material...rather a lot really. It looks like they will give 'brilliant' to about any tactic?

HristoKaraivanov

Good

Shannon_Khan

Thank you. It helped a lot ; )

Cornfed

@alexehresh - I think by the parameters of the program...there is nothing wrong with the "!'s" given.

...Bg3 is a sacrifice that ends the game sooner than other moves and ...Qh2 forces checkmate. One can quibble of course and I already opined on that above.

That said...those whole game looked like it was being played by a couple of patzers, missing far too much even in a blitz game.

Solocle
This one was pretty neat - 100% accuracy. happy
 
Cornfed
alexlehrersh wrote:

Yep patzer decirbes it perfectly. So why are patzer moves brilliant.

I mean I am a agresive player so I am a fan of sacrifces but when every sacrifce cecoese brilliant or great then its anyoing

I believe it's all been talked about earlier in this thread. I don't disagree with you. Also, in Danny's State of Chess he says he's not happy with the existing implementation and that it's being worked on (words to that effect).

Cornfed

@ Solocle - yes, 3 black mistakes in 10 moves - that does make it easy to get 100%. The shorter the game, often the higher the percentage....especially when ones opponent is compliant.

Flaction

https://www.chess.com/tr/analysis/game/live/0276cb98-2f6b-11ee-b0d7-a410bd01000f?move=23&tab=review&classification=brilliant&autorun=true

sup , a bishop sac for a queen , alt yea , brilliants just are there to bring satisfaction to noobs like me

Cativersity
TanakaYui wrote: hikarunaku wrote: Snowcrashed wrote:
  • Jalaal, you’ve been very gracious in your responses to Hikarunaku (which I don’t think is deserved). Yours was the best answer on this thread IMO, and his responses don’t make sense. At minimum, he’s confused and discourteous, my guess is that he’s just garden variety troll.

He might have been gracious but given that I clearly explained what a brilliant move is and he still could not interpret it.I was more than correct to point to him that he should read my statement again.

Both of you are actually both pointing out the most important thing which makes a move "brilliant" - a move that engines would not find as quickly* as other solutions. Be it due to search depth (as hikarunaku said) or being completely unseen until played (What Jalaal was talking about) because of some "horizon effect" (wrong evaluation due to evaluating partial trees?), I think that this is not something to get too heated about!

capenter6543

almost impossible

Coffeeshop-wifi

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TheRoboticNoob

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Cornfed

The Leko - Naroditsky commentary at the World Cup should give chess.com reason to pause. They clearly did not like....for instance some of the "?" given to moves.

Chess.com clearly needs to work on those simple !, !!, !?, ?!, ?, ?? evals.

Even giving a 'green' ? vs a 'red' ? would be helpful. The first being somewhere between a ? and ?! and the latter being a solid ? and waiting them accordingly.

itzlebaguette

honestly Jalaal's explanation was very simple and straightforward while hikarunaku's just confused me. dont see the reason as to why you argued about such a small matter.

MichaelThorp7

Smart people have a tendency to argue about simple things. In truth, we would do well to leave them be, lest we annoy them by asking questions they deem to be obvious.

SupraChiasMattic

Umm. I searched for an explanation of Brilliant move, and found this pile of Brilliant non-authoratative musings. So, does anyone anywhere have access to the algorithm that defines exactly what a !! move entails?

1. Is in nominal depth (N) + K extra steps?

2. Is it move that appears to reduce the player's position but results in a significant plus K steps ahead? If so, what negative/positive delta?

3. Is it, as suggested above, where the player came out ahead and the other side played nominal best move (N move engine best), but the player played non-best (as initially calculated by the engine), and then came out significantly better, forcing the engine to say whoa, and recalculate deeper. But, how deep? Is N+1 good enough? Or N+2,3,4...

Maybe, it has to do with a multi-pronged attack where the result is an exploit that only appears after K moves.