Yeah, but the games you're talking about involve Qh5 or Qf3 (for white) mainly, whereas this is an actual opening, thus making it more interesting. Your point is taken, but there's no particular reason it CAN'T be posted.
Bringing the Queen out early should be Punished!
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ilikeflags wrote:
not a bad point, but i beat lower rated players a lot--many of us do. they make mistakes like bringing their queen out early sometimes--big deal. it's not worth discussing--maybe to some it is, but to most, what can we learn from a 300+ ratings beating?
Unless you think that rchappening is the only player that makes the mistake of bringing his queen out early, I would think a lot of players at his level might learn something from e4forme's post. Like someone else mentioned, the title of the post is informative and indicates what you might learn about by viewing the thread.
Sure, you can read the original post and assume that e4forme is bragging about his win. Or, you can give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he posted his game to provide an opportunity for others to learn from rchappening's mistake. I choose the latter, because I don't see the point in needlessly bashing other people, and I'm here to learn about chess.
May 18, 2009
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#24
all good points. i would have handled it a bit differently. like:
when rated lower don't bring you queen out so early, or whatev... that being said a 1600 player should know better. i assume he does know better and was "trying" something. i can't blame him if he's not really worried about the results of a game agasint a 1900. sure 1600s beat 1900s from time to time. i never have. i've beaten a few 1800s but it's unlikely to get the win against a player that much higer than you. especially from 1600 to 1900. there are serious cut downs in mistakes in that jump. it's not like a 2100 to a 2400. i have no idea what he was thinking but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't a "try."
Like life, things go better when the "Queen" stays in the background, and maybe keeps quiet also!!!! but that's just my opinion....
May 19, 2009
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#26
e4forme,
I appreciate your posts, including this thread, and always enjoy learning from you. Also, for the record, I enjoyed the severe beating and lessons you provided me a couple months back. Although I understand why you would want to avoid exchanges and tempers like a few exhibited here in this thread, I hope you will continue to post games and comments. Many of us look forward to your lessons and input. Thanks for your willingness to share and help others.
Greg
mijovic91 wrote:
Hmm, 16.Bxe3 is much better and perhaps leaves white with a playable game?
16. Bxe3 loses to a mate in 1: ...Qxg2#
darn i showed up after the argument.
i see nothing wrong with bringing up a game that shows why bringing the queen out early is a mistake, i found it rather enjoyable to be honest.
May 19, 2009
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#30
OK, I get it! ilikeflags has pointed out in his 9 postings on this thread, that I should only post games when opponents are equally rated. If what he says is true, that I only play weaker players, I wont get that opportunity. ilikeflags stated earlier that I haven't played anyone near my rating in my last 30 games! That is not the truth.Why does someone post 9 times in a thread to criticize someone?
For the Record, Scarblac was exactly correct about the game. It was the Center Game my worthy opponent played. The move Qe3 was the strongest continuation he could play(Paulsen's Attack), not a blunder as ilikeflags would have you think. I only posted it as I thought it was interesting and informative. In a sound opening, I was still able to get the advantage by going after the Queen. My opponents downfall was probably when he took the Knight Pawn with his Queen, not an obvious blunder tho'.
I have to tell you, one of the most hard fought and exciting games that I have played in the last 6 months, was against rchappening. If you want to play this guy... Buckle up! It's bound to be a wild ride indeed!
May 19, 2009
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#31
it's like a commercial.
keep playing people rated 1500 dude and keep posting the games. please!!!!
May 19, 2009
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#32
I wouldn't have anyone think anything about Qe3. i thought the moved cornered the queeen. i've already said i had to re-think that idea.
May 19, 2009
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#33
if it's in a public forum we all can comment. am i wrong about that? am i wrong that a 1900 beats a 1600 at least 75% of the time and does so soundly?
i have admitted that if his intention was to inform those of us who didn't know that this type of game is a no no, then i was wrong to call him out. plus i didn't even call him out. all i said was it's stupid to pat yourself on the back for beating someone rated 300 points lower than you. big F'ing deal? he said that wasn't his intention and i said--ok. i would have handeled it differently. he did what he wanted to do. i'm over it. i anxiously await the next cling-on to come and bravely call me out over the interwebs.
May 19, 2009
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#34
I think the point of the original post was not to embarrass the opponent as much as teach/remind others why bringing out the queen early is a bad idea most of the time. The fact the rating is 300+ points difference is beside the point and does not have anything to really do with there intention when posting it.
May 19, 2009
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Ian_Sinclair wrote:
I think the point of the original post was not to embarrass the opponent as much as teach/remind others why bringing out the queen early is a bad idea most of the time. The fact the rating is 300+ points difference is beside the point and does not have anything to really do with there intention when posting it.
e4forme has told me as much and i have acknowledged this. i'm still curious about his last post cuz i thought he and i had talked about the misunderstanding. i still think teaching the concept could have been achieved--not at the expense of a sub 300 point rated player, but i understand that he was not trying to embarrass anyone.
May 19, 2009
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#36
HotFlow wrote:
"if it's in a public forum we all can comment. am i wrong about that? "
Well to be honest if you are going to act like a petulant child, as you have done this thread. Do us all a favour and don't bother. Nothing you have said in this thread has been remotely helpful or constructive.
All you have achieved is to discourage the OP from trying to post useful and helpful games in the future. Well done, give yourself a pat on the back.
really?
May 19, 2009
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#37
How many 1900+ players have u known to make this mistake? Can u put down a game here if u do pls?
May 19, 2009
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#38
Ian_Sinclair wrote:
How many 1900+ players have u known to make this mistake? Can u put down a game here if u do pls?
is this directed at me?
May 20, 2009
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#39
lol...we should all Relax! Here is a game where a Good player played the Scandinavian Defense and I of course went after and won the Queen they pulled out early!
I am still in the middle of this game, but they are in trouble for bringing the Queen out early! BTW, ilikeflags check the ratings! I truly believe bringing the Queen out early should be punished! I hope this makes my point...
not a bad point, but i beat lower rated players a lot--many of us do. they make mistakes like bringing their queen out early sometimes--big deal. it's not worth discussing--maybe to some it is, but to most, what can we learn from a 300+ ratings beating?