Chess.com free computer analysis - not good enough

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chessmagic5

This is only my personal opinion regarding chess.com's free computer analysis...

I have used it to analyze the following game (where I was Black). Its assessment of the positions and the recommended moves are ARE VERY USELESS for a serious advance chess player.

Have look at the following computer analysis through the game and let me know if you feel the same as I do.

Thank you.

JG27Pyth

First, you played a pretty good game there. Second... I agree the analysis doesn't seem very helpful. Some games lend themselves to computer analysis better than others... That said, it really seems the computer doesn't like you.  The computer disparages harmless moves you make in the first half of the game (yet your position stays fine)... and when you start dominating in the last quarter of the game, the computer has nothing to say... LOL.

By the time it says, "Lucky you! Your opponent blundered!" I swear it's sounds like it really has contempt for you.

Perhaps you offended the computer? At some point in the past did you tell the computer "those jeans make your ass look fat" ? 

Oh well. Nice game.

jr571

I find that when the game's positional, the evaluations don't make sense to me.  However, the computer analysis is a much more useful tool when the game was very wild and tactical.

Hugh_T_Patterson

You have to run your games through your own software game analysis system. In defense of chess.com (and I am so loyal to them it's not even funny), it does a great job for the majority of the players on this site. However, you're right, it's not for advanced players!

ivandh

I say if you want to be happy and enjoy the game, leave computers out of it.

 

Knowing that most people won't, I will also say that, while I don't know what engine chess.com uses, it can't be all that powerful for use in an internet browser.

erik

you are spot on - the free analysis isn't good enough for serious players. it analyzes at a depth of 8, which isn't very good at all, especially for positional play. but what it does is expose newer players to tactical problems and shows people how computer analysis will work so that they will subscribe to the full features of game analysis ;)

kenny10293847

It's free!

Hugh_T_Patterson

Well, there you have it! Again, for guys like me it's wonderful. I still run my games through analysis on my own software. You can Program Mathematica to analyze your games from a mathematical standpoint. I've been playin with this recently. However, it requires a lot of programming and mathematical modeling. For simple, useful game analysis I use chess.com.

kco

so erik what you are saying that if you are a full member you will have your games analyse deeper ?

Hugh_T_Patterson

Yeah good point, it's free. I almost forgot about that.

bondiggity

I believe its 8 ply for free members, 10 ply for silver and gold members, and 12 ply for platinum and diamond members. 

erik
kco wrote:

so erik what you are saying that if you are a full member you will have your games analyse deeper ?


yes. free members get 1 game per week at depth of 8ply (2000 strength). silver/gold get 2 games per week at 10 ply (2200 strength). platinum/diamond get 25 games per week at 12ply (2500 strength).

kco

Thank you erik !Smile and thank you bondiggity, I didn't see that you have reponded earlier also.

kco

So for chessmagic5 if you want a better analysis of your games, pay your membership, your choice.

Chessroshi

If you are so seriously advanced, head over to ebay and buy the Fritz 6 disc that is on sale right now for $6. Then you can have GM quality analysis. Oh BTW, complaining about free stuff is weak, super weak. I'm sure it's better than any free stuff that any of us has put online. I certainly haven't made a web site that offers free stuff for people to use.

LDSSDL

I would imagine a serious chess player would have their own chess engine to analyze games. Maybe not the most powerful one available, but at least one of their own that would be far more "useful" than the entirely free one offered here at chess.com.

chessmagic5
erik wrote:

you are spot on - the free analysis isn't good enough for serious players. it analyzes at a depth of 8, which isn't very good at all, especially for positional play. but what it does is expose newer players to tactical problems and shows people how computer analysis will work so that they will subscribe to the full features of game analysis ;)


 That explains it. Fair enough.

I dont know but I still feel that the strength should be more prudent to include advanced players. In this way you will make chess.com gain more loyal advanced players. The more advanced players you have, the more chess.com becomes stronger as a chess website (than competitors) because you will have more quality games to offer as a site.

Here in Australia, to attract more participants in chess tournaments we dont let titled players pay for the entrance fee. In this way, more titled strong players will likely to play thus making the tournament as a strong tournament. Strong tournaments attract more paying participants because they want to have the chance to play the titled players.

In parallel, improving the strength of your free computer analysis the more attraction you will get from new and loyal strong members. It will also increase the quality games played and learnings in chess.com thus attracting more appeal to the site.

All I'm just suggesting is a little more strength in the free analysis.

I have Fritz 7 and 11 chess engines. I think you are getting my drift...

It's just a suggestion... and I could be asking too much.

Thank you, I remain.

bondiggity

I disagree chessmagic5, I doubt that any strong and serious chess player doesn't have their own personal chess engine rated around 3000 elo. Even if chess.com offered 2500 strength analysis (what platinum and diamond members currently receive), strong players would still use their own engine to get better results. 

chessmagic5

I have realized that, bondiggity, and thank you for your good point.

But my point is to add more appeal to visiting chess.com by attracting more loyal advanced players. Most advanced players use different chess engines. They are always curious to possible new pathways into the positions.

There was a story about Bobby Fischer at a Russian tournament. As usual as he is, he introduced a novelty opening that no one in the tournament was prepared for. Later it was revealed by Fischer that he got the novelty move idea months earlier from their own fellow Russian player who is a patzer.

On that note I wouldnt mind if a more credible free analysis from chess.com is to be included in my consideration of moves.

Nonlinear88

i only try once for chess analysis..even there is a doubt