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anaxagoras

I need some input here.  Which is better, Rd6 or h3?...and why?Undecided

Margreet

I would play h3. If black plays e5 you can then play Rd5. You can always play Rd6 later on, I don't see the need to sacrifce your h2 pawn.

chessbot3000

I agree. Following h3 white should be able to win black's a-pawn evening material & creating a passed pawn. It looks ok for a draw from there.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.Smile

rj011788
i also agree.. you should not have pawn exchange there since you can still take c5 after you play Rd5.. ;)
phoenixrjp
You can always move Kg1, then g3 and swap pawns, then start moving along the f and g file
Don1
Margreet wrote:

I would play h3. If black plays e5 you can then play Rd5. You can always play Rd6 later on, I don't see the need to sacrifce your h2 pawn.


dido, the pawn structures look pretty equal except he has the extra backward P but your R is stronger save the h-pawn then get your R right over to win the a-pawn. If his R gets behind your pawns though grab the c-pawn; "looks" drawish. PS: Rd8+ is the best chance to play for a win gaining a tempo on other variations, but still looks drawish. 

anaxagoras

Hi Prodigy, something's wrong with the move sequence you posted.  It won't load for me.

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Thank you everyone for your analysis.  Ultimately I did play Rd6 for the sake of initiative.  After Rxh2, I missed the critical Kg1 and was quickly blown away after the rook check on the back rank.Frown

h3 is logical in order to hold the material.  I didn't like the weakening of the g3 square, with the g-pawn held up forever, but something had to give way I guess. 

Prodigy
maybe itll work this time, its not as deep as i did last time nor is it annotated but here is how i look at the moves its still a draw?? or maybe a win for white
Etienne

Well h3 was better as it blocked the black rook access to the inside of your camp, and your tower could still go pick up black's pawn after.

 

And also, what's that, posting from an ongoing game? Tsk Tsk, read the sticky Cool

greersome

What about g4?

You put pressure on the black rook.  If black uses en-passent, white captures with hxg3.  I'd start with Kg1, but it's an interesting idea to mix it up a bit.

 

tactician
I'd check his king then play h3 and after that I would attack the a pawn and try to push the a pawn for promotion.
Etienne
greersome wrote:

What about g4?

You put pressure on the black rook.  If black uses en-passent, white captures with hxg3.  I'd start with Kg1, but it's an interesting idea to mix it up a bit.

 


 g4 Rxh2

and even with your scenario, white's position would be worse then simply h3. 

anaxagoras
Etienne wrote: And also, what's that, posting from an ongoing game? Tsk Tsk, read the sticky

Nope, my computer had already crushed me when I posted!  Didn't you see the "0-1"?

Etienne
anaxagoras wrote: Etienne wrote: And also, what's that, posting from an ongoing game? Tsk Tsk, read the sticky

Nope, my computer had already crushed me when I posted!  Didn't you see the "0-1"?


 Oh damn... not only it was already finished, but you were playing a computer... Embarassed

 

But yeah after h3, you could easily immobilize his rook for a few moves (the rook has nowhere to go really, and if Re5, Kf2 and the rook has to go back) allowing you to go pick up the a file pawn without any problem and then your passed pawn is a game winner. His better threat is the "e" pawn puch which, as you can see, isn't much of a threat and one that he cannot use until he took care of your passed pawn. I think this was a win or lose choice.

anaxagoras
Thanx for the help everyone.  I will set up the position tonight to see if I can at least eek out a draw against EvilComputer. Tongue out
Etienne
anaxagoras wrote: Thanx for the help everyone.  I will set up the position tonight to see if I can at least eek out a draw against EvilComputer.

 A win! A win! What program/difficulty is it by the way? Tried against Fritz and lost, gonna try again until I find something that draws (if there is you're probably gonna beat me to it however). But it's actually a very good problem as there's so many possible captures for white, but black has the exact right tempo to be able to go promote a pawn if white goes for the pawns... very good problem indeed...

anaxagoras
This is against the Toga engine included with the SCID database software you can find in the downloads section of chess.com.  It's supposed to be around 2500 ELO.  I have it set to 10 seconds of think time per move.
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RyanZ_MD

rd6, because when Black takes, you have kg1, which could be annoying