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-waller-

This one was an Evans Gambit where my pressure just seemed to run out of steam. I think I had a good position at some stage - can anyone suggest any improvements? Other than the obvious mistake 22.Qe4 - I think my position is already slightly worse there anyway.



OldHastonian

Interesting game and you had a strong opponent; will definitely avoid playing him!

I've played this gambit, but haven't tried 7.Qb3...not sure I like the look of it, I'd castle at that point.

13.Ba3 looks better than Nc3 and you may have played d6 too soon on move 19...a Rook on the d or e file first may have been the way forward.

As instructed, we won't mention 22.Qe4 Wink

Naakija

How about 22. Bc1 !    Undecided

-waller-

Thanks for replying guys, these mostly concur with my own conclusions! 7.Qb3 is a fairly standard move, 7.0-0 seems more common but the two usually transpose anyway, and 7.Qb3 does reduce Black's possible replies a little. I can't remember who but there was a strong player who said he considered it more accurate.

Played 13.Nc3 because I saw that all the games up to this point had included 13.Ba3, and whilst I thought that was good, I wanted to try something different! I also thought it was a natural development of the knight heading to f4, and to control d5 making Qe6 unattractive. I guess next time I will try the 13.Ba3 Qe6 14.Qc1 idea!

Also I did regret playing d5 before bringing my rooks out. I think I was overly worried about Qe6, when actually this isn't really such a big deal.

Lauri, 22.Bc1 was the first move that sprung to mind, and was definitely one of the main moves I looked at, but Black always seemed to wriggle out of trouble in my analysis. So, I decided to try Qe4 not noticing the major flaw that it obviously had!

Scottrf

"I can't remember who but there was a strong player who said he considered it more accurate."

Nigel Short? He certainly played it a bit.

Scottrf

I noticed Marin said that 7. Qb3 was probably the variation in the book where he found it hardest to suggest moves for the black side.

OldHastonian

The statistics from chess.com database aren't very encouraging for 7.Qb3.

Scottrf

In 19 games? Since when did those stats mean anything anyway? Have you checked who the stronger player was, why the games were lost, if white played outdated moves where improvements have been found?

OldHastonian

There are only two Nigel Short games in the chess.com database from that position and he played 7.Qb3 in one.

OldHastonian
Scottrf wrote:

In 19 games? Since when did those stats mean anything anyway? Have you checked who the stronger player was, why the games were lost, if white played outdated moves where improvements have been found?

Easy tiger, I was posting facts, not drawing any conclusions; I'm here to learn and was hoping that IM pfren will expand on his comment that

"7.Qb3 (Short's patent) is just about the only adequate move in that particular position."

Scottrf

BTW, I have 194 games, where it scores 56.9%.

Short I found 4, Piket 2001, Nielsen 2003, Gupta 2006, Kasparov 2011, and his only half point was against Nielsen, he lost the others.

learningthemoves

Very interesting game. Thanks for sharing. I believe IM Jacek Shopa also suggests 7.O-O in his Chess.com video on the Evan's Gambit.

atarw

0-0 looks better, I haven't tried out Qb3 yet, but I don't really like it.

It's better to castle and use the e-file rather than make a quick threat against f7.

You are going to play Qb3 anyways, so why rush it?

learningthemoves

Here is one I played (last year) as white with 7. O-O

It was a 19.5 move miniature. I'm sure I made plenty of mistakes, haven't analyzed it or anything, but maybe it could spark some ideas.



OldHastonian

So Short's "patent" is based on 3 games only, (ignoring the 2011 blitz game) Undecided

-waller-
OldHastonian wrote:

So Short's "patent" is based on 3 games only, (ignoring the 2011 blitz game)

Ignoring databases for a moment, what are the reasons for 0-0 being better? Given that you can castle next move, and 7.Qb3 cuts out some possible responses for Black (including an immediate Nge7, although that didn't stop a 1600 playing it against me in a recent tournament lol!)

OldHastonian
-waller- wrote:

So Short's "patent" is based on 3 games only, (ignoring the 2011 blitz game)

Ignoring databases for a moment, what are the reasons for 0-0 being better? Given that you can castle next move, and 7.Qb3 cuts out some possible responses for Black (including an immediate Nge7, although that didn't stop a 1600 playing it against me in a recent tournament lol!)

I don't think 7.0-0 is "better" having now studied 7.Qb3 and of course our Greek comrade prefers the latter Wink

learningthemoves
-waller- wrote:
OldHastonian wrote:

So Short's "patent" is based on 3 games only, (ignoring the 2011 blitz game)

Ignoring databases for a moment, what are the reasons for 0-0 being better? Given that you can castle next move, and 7.Qb3 cuts out some possible responses for Black (including an immediate Nge7, although that didn't stop a 1600 playing it against me in a recent tournament lol!)

One possible reason may be the 7...Qe7 reply from black. However I've played both variations with success, but that may be the reason.

-waller-

Ah fair enough, I thought you were still advocating it.

Another interesting game with 7.Qb3 is Molner-Bartholomew at Copper State Int'l 2010. Gives an example of White winning with this against strong opposition anyway!

http://chesstempo.com/gamedb/game/2821579

Scottrf

Qe7 is actually inferior to the move played in the game because it puts the queen on the same diagonal as the bishop after a later Ba3 and can cause problems with castling. The knight is better on e7, blocking the diagonal than f6 .