HOW DO I DRAW?!!?!?!

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notmtwain
ToxWox wrote:

Im so annoyed... I know how to draw this, but it just keeps on going and my time is going as well. Like last 20 moves are just stupid kings moves and he declines the draws so he can win on time, how is that fair? Wasnt there a 3 move rule or something? Im so annoyed, actually want to just give up on playing chess.com after this one because that is just straight up not fair.

He has more time (2 mins to 40 seconds) therefore he can just toy with me until I run out of time... That is not fair.

 

You can claim a draw by clicking the draw button after a position repeats for the 3rd time.

Also, after 50 moves without a pawn move or capture.

notmtwain

Looks like you lost.

You were so close to a stalemate.

I would suggest you take a course in basic checkmates. I see that you botched another game with a stalemate in a winning position today.

It happens to everyone but studying the methods will help you learn what to do.

IMKeto

ToxWox wrote:

Im so annoyed... I know how to draw this, but it just keeps on going and my time is going as well. Like last 20 moves are just stupid kings moves and he declines the draws so he can win on time, how is that fair? Wasnt there a 3 move rule or something? Im so annoyed, actually want to just give up on playing chess.com after this one because that is just straight up not fair.

He has more time (2 mins to 40 seconds) therefore he can just toy with me until I run out of time... That is not fair.

don't start a post with "I know how to draw this" and then demonstrate that you don't.

JessVLoudo

If you have a problem with your opponent defeating you using time then play with either increments or longer time controls. Complaining about an issue that you can control is absolutely ridiculous.

ConsciousSoul
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Actually, you don't know how to draw that.  Nor was your opponent too adept at winning it (44...Kh4 won, for example).

@ghost_of_pushwood is absolutely right.

Galaxy_Chess_God
JessVLoudo wrote:

If you have a problem with your opponent defeating you using time then play with either increments or longer time controls. Complaining about an issue that you can control is absolutely ridiculous.

agreed I win in 30 sec by tie same as lose

Galaxy_Chess_God

time*

llamonade
ToxWox wrote:

HOW DO I DRAW?!!?!?!

 

 

llamonade

But seriously, you can use a lot of premoves in this type of endgame so you shouldn't have much time trouble (unless you're super low to begin with).

 

jay_freeman
ToxWox wrote:

Im so annoyed... I know how to draw this, but it just keeps on going and my time is going as well. Like last 20 moves are just stupid kings moves and he declines the draws so he can win on time, how is that fair? Wasnt there a 3 move rule or something? Im so annoyed, actually want to just give up on playing chess.com after this one because that is just straight up not fair.

He has more time (2 mins to 40 seconds) therefore he can just toy with me until I run out of time... That is not fair.

 

In this game black missed a clear win at move 51. Instead of Kg3 - g3 and wins.

But I know what you mean about winning on time. There are some people playing 3 or 5 minute games who do not even try to play a good chess. Instead they try to win on time right from the start. So unless you mate them within these 3 minutes, they will win or at least get a draw if they are left with a "naked" king. This is actually different from winning on time when you just play for a win on the board, which is alright.
I don't really understand why those people do that, because it is just an ignorant way to play the game and takes them nowhere. But of course it doesn't feel fare from the other side.

But the solution is simple - just choose time control with bonus, like 3+3 or 5+5 and you will never get in this kind of trouble.

llamonade

Here's an easy endgame I lost at the end of a blitz game. Obviously I didn't fully understand the way to draw either.

 

 

llamonade

Oh, and that's not just a one off. There are a few cases where a pawn on h2 is ideal. Not only is it the furthest away from the opponent's king, but a pawn on its original square is useful in king and pawn endgames because it can move 1 or 2 squares (so you can win zugzwang fights).

But the mini fortress in 3 vs 2 endgames was something I obviously didn't know. Of course white can draw with 6.Kg4 too, but the stalemate in the corner is useful for speed games.

llamonade
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Well, that definitely reminded me of Capablanca's treatise on more or less the same ending (called "A Classical Ending") from A Primer of Chess:

 

Obviously I don't know my classics tongue.png

Main point was, in blitz you can lose ridiculously drawn positions. Instead of getting mad you can use the opportunity to learn something.

llamonade

Oh, now I recognize it (I think).

One of those things where you have to be careful to count the tempi correctly.

llamonade

So like this

 

The "trick" (if you want to call it that) I use for these is just looking at the color. So I want to play g3 and it be white's turn. Is my first move g5 or g6?

Well, g3 is dark, so you play the move that puts it on a dark square grin.png

llamonade
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

On the other hand, looks like you already have it all worked out (so never mind).

It's good you mention it though else I might have believed in my mini fortress thing even in that position.

Chess is funny like that. You learn a little, then you learn some more, and then after you think you understand it you figure out you don't tongue.png

I was studying an endgame type for a few days like this, and thought I had it all figured out, only to keep finding exceptions, and more tricks you had to calculate.

llamonade

It was one of these guys. (white to move, only 1 move wins)

 

But then I was finding that other, very similar positions, had a different first move that won.

llamonade

And if white's first move is 1.Kd5, then black has only 1 move that draws tongue.png

The very general idea is the white king wants to support the pawns (obviously).

So how does it do that? Well, on the e file (obviously)

So once you know that it becomes easier... but books don't tell you that, they throw a lot of variations at you.

But then I was finding some positions 1.g6 was the key (I forgot why) which paradoxically (to me) allowed the black king to go to f6 and "block" the white king from helping on the e file. But the solution to that one (I don't remember the position) was to sac the g pawn which decoyed the king off the f file and let your king in, which juuuuuuust the right configuration to queen first.

llamonade

1.Kd5 Kf7
2.f6

And if black could pass his turn it's a draw, but as it is black can't keep the white king out of e6 (and after that the pawns can roll down).

So the trick is getting that position with white to move, and then it's a draw.

ToxWox

Thanks for flooding this thread with off topic shit.

Btw mr. National Master, not everyone is as good as you and I might know how to draw that game but if I try to figure out how to ask for the damn draw before my clock runs out it's not as easy cause I dont play chess so much.

So dont be a dick about stuff since you play way longer than me, also get out of my thread with your stupid bs

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