Is analysis board during dailies cheating?

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Feral23
Is using the analysis board during a daily game cheating? It's right there at the bottom of my iPhone screen, hard not too .. but seems way too powerful having a spare board. Sorry noob to chess.com. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the feature. It's causing me to enjoy my chess games more but I feel like a wrong-un using it .. 😂
corum

It isn't cheating. Daily chess is essentially correspondence chess. Years ago, before chess.com existed, I used to play correspondence chess with friends and we would send our moves on postcards to  each other by post.

 

In this form of chess it is perfectly fine, for example, to have a physical chess board set up so that you can play through variations to help you decide what to play. Some people would have several physical boards set up if they had several games on the go. The analysis board on chess.com daily games is just a digital version of this. So it is fine to use it. 

You can also look at opening books or use chess.com's Explorer during these games. 

What you *cannot* do is to put a position in the game into a chess engine and get the computer to tell you what the best move is. This would be cheating. Chess.com has algorithms that can detect players who do this and from time to time you will see people have their accounts closed down.

Feral23
Thank you for the very informative reply. The correspondence chess you used to play sounds like a lot of fun. I'm quite new and will look at that explorer. I have no idea what it is. Yes people using chess engines deserve to have their accounts closed. I don't see how they could find value in doing that!
torrubirubi
It is also useful to write down your analysis and your thoughts during the game. This would be useful if you want once to post your game to be analysed by stronger players.
A_G_A
corum wrote:

What you *cannot* do is to put a position in the game into a chess engine and get the computer to tell you what the best move is. This would be cheating. Chess.com has algorithms that can detect players who do this and from time to time you will see people have their accounts closed down.

Adding on to this, you cannot use endgame tablebases in daily games either.

AntonioEsfandiari

You can use your analysis board during daily chess, but it is just cheating yourself.  The most important aspect to improving in chess is typically improving your "calculation/visualization skills."  This comes pretty much ONLY from hard work!!  Forcing yourself into strenuous mental focus, trying to look as far ahead as you can, as accurately as you can, while considering all of the important details as much as you can.  The brain is like a muscle and only through hard work can you actually improve your brains ability to simulate and predict future outcomes.  Using analysis board is easy and doesn't cause much mental strain, you cheat yourself out of all the hard work. 

Using analysis board in daily chess is like going to the gym, stretching, getting the bench press ready, putting weights on the bench press, getting underneath the weight, centering your arms just right, but then you don't even bother to lift the weight or exert yourself at all, you get off the bench, put the weights back, wipe down the bench, drink a protein shake and then go home.... lol why even bother going to the gym?  

blitzcopter

Pretty sure it's fine so long as you don't use the engine; people are expected to work out positions by hand in official correspondence chess.

That said, they put the engine right in the analysis board, so... no bets on how many players use the analysis board without some other, erm, "advantages" tongue.png

BronsteinPawn

How do you think correspondence chess was played before when the moves were sent by postcard? Thats the whole point of it. Very deep analysis. As long as engine use is not involved you can use the spare board and play out variations several moves deep with extreme precision.

BronsteinPawn
AntonioEsfandiari wrote:

You can use your analysis board during daily chess, but it is just cheating yourself.  The most important aspect to improving in chess is typically improving your "calculation/visualization skills."  This comes pretty much ONLY from hard work!!  Forcing yourself into strenuous mental focus, trying to look as far ahead as you can, as accurately as you can, while considering all of the important details as much as you can.  The brain is like a muscle and only through hard work can you actually improve your brains ability to simulate and predict future outcomes.  Using analysis board is easy and doesn't cause much mental strain, you cheat yourself out of all the hard work. 

Using analysis board in daily chess is like going to the gym, stretching, getting the bench press ready, putting weights on the bench press, getting underneath the weight, centering your arms just right, but then you don't even bother to lift the weight or exert yourself at all, you get off the bench, put the weights back, wipe down the bench, drink a protein shake and then go home.... lol why even bother going to the gym?  

You should go play live chess. This is correspondence chess. The beauty of it is the deep analysis. Even if you can still move pieces around it is not as easy as you make it look. I dont think you can break muscular fibers on your brain...

RussBell

Distinguish between the analysis board and the computer analysis functionality which is integrated into the Chess.com analysis board.  It is illegal to use the computer analysis functionality (i.e. the built-in chess engine) to calculate moves for games you are currently playing; this applies to all chess games - correspondence, daily or live.  That is, you can use the Chess.com analysis board to analyze your games, as long as you don't use its computer analysis functionality to calculate your moves for an active game.  Also, one may use chess books and databases for analysis of correspondence and daily games (since this does not constitute computer calculation of moves).  However, for live games it is illegal to use any and all forms of external assistance, including books, databases, chess engines or assistance from another human.

AntonioEsfandiari
BronsteinPawn wrote:
AntonioEsfandiari wrote:

You can use your analysis board during daily chess, but it is just cheating yourself.  The most important aspect to improving in chess is typically improving your "calculation/visualization skills."  This comes pretty much ONLY from hard work!!  Forcing yourself into strenuous mental focus, trying to look as far ahead as you can, as accurately as you can, while considering all of the important details as much as you can.  The brain is like a muscle and only through hard work can you actually improve your brains ability to simulate and predict future outcomes.  Using analysis board is easy and doesn't cause much mental strain, you cheat yourself out of all the hard work. 

Using analysis board in daily chess is like going to the gym, stretching, getting the bench press ready, putting weights on the bench press, getting underneath the weight, centering your arms just right, but then you don't even bother to lift the weight or exert yourself at all, you get off the bench, put the weights back, wipe down the bench, drink a protein shake and then go home.... lol why even bother going to the gym?  

You should go play live chess. This is correspondence chess. The beauty of it is the deep analysis. Even if you can still move pieces around it is not as easy as you make it look. I dont think you can break muscular fibers on your brain...

It's a metaphor.  Actually what is happening is you are restructuring neural connections and you are improving the algorithms that you use to index and retrieve patterns.  Also you are improving your intuition by way of which details/aspects are prioritized to select candidate moves.  This improvement in your brain's efficiency is accomplished when you are pushing yourself and when chess is actually HARD.  IF the chess you are doing is EASY you are likely not doing much to improve.  
If you are playing correspondence chess for entertainment then you can do whatever you want.  If you are playing correspondence chess to improve at the maximum rate, then analysis board is hurting you.  (unless of course you force yourself to analyze the variations as deep as you can FIRST, and THEN use the analysis board) 

BronsteinPawn

If correspondence chess is so easy why are you not the WC?

AntonioEsfandiari
BronsteinPawn wrote:

If correspondence chess is so easy why are you not the WC?

I never said correspondence chess is easy, I said using analysis board to cheat yourself out of calculating is easy.  And I try not to use analysis board anymore. 
The work it would take for me to become really high rated in correspondence would be much better spent in improving my actual chess calculation abilities, rather than improving my analysis board diligence and patience.  

BronsteinPawn

So if you move pieces you dont have to calculate?

Chesseract557
chess_is_9ay wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

So if you move pieces you dont have to calculate?

It is the equivalent of using a calculator to perform mathematical operations rather than one's own mind. However, in this case it is insignificant because chess is a stupid game with no merits and taking time out of one's day to purposely make something harder on oneself is even stupider than chess itself. 

Excuse me for saying so, but hating on chess via a Chess.com account is equivalent to eating McDonald's and dissing them at the same time. Like I said, if you hate the game, don't play it and don't bother to make a Chess.com account.

Also, Chess.com does not let you analyze your game while you're playing it.

AntonioEsfandiari
BronsteinPawn wrote:

So if you move pieces you dont have to calculate?

Precisely!  That is exactly what I am saying.  Moving pieces in your head requires work and the exercise of brain functions that visualize and simulate future possibilities.  Using the analysis board to move the pieces instead of your mind cheats yourself out of this hard work.  

Smositional
chess_is_9ay wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

So if you move pieces you dont have to calculate?

It is the equivalent of using a calculator to perform mathematical operations rather than one's own mind. However, in this case it is insignificant because chess is a stupid game with no merits and taking time out of one's day to purposely make something harder on oneself is even stupider than chess itself. 

Then what is your point of being here? You're wasting your time as well because you post a lot on a forum about a game you "don't care" about.

You're putting way to much effort into all your post considering you don't like the game at all.

BronsteinPawn
AntonioEsfandiari wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

So if you move pieces you dont have to calculate?

Precisely!  That is exactly what I am saying.  Moving pieces in your head requires work and the exercise of brain functions that visualize and simulate future possibilities.  Using the analysis board to move the pieces instead of your mind cheats yourself out of this hard work.  

So basically if you move pieces all the possible moves, tactics and positional plans, advantages and disadvantages just pop out of nowhere into your head? You dont have to think at all?! WOW. Didnt know that!!!

AntonioEsfandiari
BronsteinPawn wrote:
AntonioEsfandiari wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

So if you move pieces you dont have to calculate?

Precisely!  That is exactly what I am saying.  Moving pieces in your head requires work and the exercise of brain functions that visualize and simulate future possibilities.  Using the analysis board to move the pieces instead of your mind cheats yourself out of this hard work.  

So basically if you move pieces all the possible moves, tactics and positional plans, advantages and disadvantages just pop out of nowhere into your head? You dont have to think at all?! WOW. Didnt know that!!!

I didn't say you didn't have to think!  Maybe you are confusing "calculation" with "evaluation."  In chess we refer to the concrete visualization of future possibilities and likely responses as "calculation" and the static evaluation of a current position as "evaluation." I will forgive you as english is not your first language.

AntonioEsfandiari

If you are not forcing yourself to move the pieces in your head, you are not "calculating" and therefore you are likely not getting any better at "calculation"