Is it worth buying Houdini?

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btickler wrote:
SocialPanda wrote:
btickler wrote:
EvgeniyZh wrote:

If you are not playing advanced chess, Stockfish will be just great and it's free

Stockfish and Komodo are the top engines, so your "advanced chess" comment doesn't make any sense.

To answer the OP's question...no, it is not worth it buy Houdini.

It makes sense, since if you discover that your opponnent is always playing Houdini first moves in all his games, you could try to set a trap.

(Advanced Chess = Centaur Chess in this case)

???

- You don't need Houdini to detect Houdini-level engine moves.

- A "centaur" chess player is more likely to be using Stockfish over Houdini these days anyway.

- The only way to "set a trap" for someone using Houdini's top move every single move is to use a better engine to beat them; i.e. Stockfish.

Btickler, that´s exactly what i´m talking about.

About engine assisted chess (centaur chess) on ICCF or LSS/IECG. You set up a trap with another engine/s and by trying different lines.

And I´m not talking about detecting "houdini level" moves, I´m talking about detecting the specific program that your opponnent is using.

DiogenesDue
SocialPanda wrote:

Btickler, that´s exactly what i´m talking about.

About engine assisted chess (centaur chess) on ICCF or LSS/IECG. You set up a trap with another engine/s and by trying different lines.

And I´m not talking about detecting "houdini level" moves, I´m talking about detecting the specific program that your opponnent is using.

Lol, someone playing centaur chess at that level is going to have to have copies of all the major engines anyway, so the point is moot...

There is pretty much no scenario where using solely Houdini and not Stockfish makes sense.

trotters64
btickler wrote:
SocialPanda wrote:
btickler wrote:
EvgeniyZh wrote:

If you are not playing advanced chess, Stockfish will be just great and it's free

Stockfish and Komodo are the top engines, so your "advanced chess" comment doesn't make any sense.

To answer the OP's question...no, it is not worth it buy Houdini.

It makes sense, since if you discover that your opponnent is always playing Houdini first moves in all his games, you could try to set a trap.

(Advanced Chess = Centaur Chess in this case)

???

- You don't need Houdini to detect Houdini-level engine moves.

- A "centaur" chess player is more likely to be using Stockfish over Houdini these days anyway.

- The only way to "set a trap" for someone using Houdini's top move every single move is to use a better engine to beat them; i.e. Stockfish.

That's what all engine users say "I'm only using an engine because my opponent is using one"... blah ,blah blah. The best way to play is engine free and if you think your opponent is using an engine just don't play him but don't resort to his level and become a cheat yourself ; albeit a better cheat.

SocialPanda
trotters64 wrote:
btickler wrote:
SocialPanda wrote:
btickler wrote:
EvgeniyZh wrote:

If you are not playing advanced chess, Stockfish will be just great and it's free

Stockfish and Komodo are the top engines, so your "advanced chess" comment doesn't make any sense.

To answer the OP's question...no, it is not worth it buy Houdini.

It makes sense, since if you discover that your opponnent is always playing Houdini first moves in all his games, you could try to set a trap.

(Advanced Chess = Centaur Chess in this case)

???

- You don't need Houdini to detect Houdini-level engine moves.

- A "centaur" chess player is more likely to be using Stockfish over Houdini these days anyway.

- The only way to "set a trap" for someone using Houdini's top move every single move is to use a better engine to beat them; i.e. Stockfish.

That's what all engine users say "I'm only using an engine because my opponent is using one"... blah ,blah blah. The best way to play is engine free and if you think your opponent is using an engine just don't play him but don't resort to his level and become a cheat yourself ; albeit a better cheat.

I´m talking (and it was also mentioned before: "centaur chess") about sites where engine use is allowed (ICCF and LSS/IECG).

EvgeniyZh

Lol, you will never be good in advanced (centaur) chess using only one engine. For example, do you know that Rybka is one the best engines for rook endgames, although it's pretty dubious to use only Rybka in centaur chess.

trotters64
SocialPanda wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
btickler wrote:
SocialPanda wrote:
btickler wrote:
EvgeniyZh wrote:

If you are not playing advanced chess, Stockfish will be just great and it's free

Stockfish and Komodo are the top engines, so your "advanced chess" comment doesn't make any sense.

To answer the OP's question...no, it is not worth it buy Houdini.

It makes sense, since if you discover that your opponnent is always playing Houdini first moves in all his games, you could try to set a trap.

(Advanced Chess = Centaur Chess in this case)

???

- You don't need Houdini to detect Houdini-level engine moves.

- A "centaur" chess player is more likely to be using Stockfish over Houdini these days anyway.

- The only way to "set a trap" for someone using Houdini's top move every single move is to use a better engine to beat them; i.e. Stockfish.

That's what all engine users say "I'm only using an engine because my opponent is using one"... blah ,blah blah. The best way to play is engine free and if you think your opponent is using an engine just don't play him but don't resort to his level and become a cheat yourself ; albeit a better cheat.

I´m talking (and it was also mentioned before: "centaur chess") about sites where engine use is allowed (ICCF and LSS/IECG).

Ok sorry didn't read the whole thread. apologies conferred.

Hudlommen

Nope, i got Lucas Chess instead. Looks promising :D

Irontiger
catporn wrote:
Hudlommen wrote:

Okay, maybe im just not good enough to use my program. I would like to see how i thinks about every move put in from a PGN, but all i can make it do is analyze what move it would have done in real time (as we were playing)

Any engine will be able to analyse a position and give you the best move (most of the time) available. To understand why it picked one move over another your gonna have to study & study & study, ask stronger players to go through your games with you, pick GM games and go through them slowly, try to work out what the next move will be, find games with annotations.

We're lucky to live in an age when all these resources are a couple of mouse clicks away.

This precisely.

Paraphrasing Voltaire : "ah ! what good times are this century of silicium !" (original quote can be found here, with some translation - read the first comment)