I had only 5 seconds to look at the position but from what I can see the main threat to white is 24... Bxh3!? 25.gxf3 25.Qxf3 ...
Nxf3 also works, but its better do it after Bxh3 and so on.
i don't see how white can hold it, but draw is really good deal here .
The lesson is: don't grab queen side pawns , placing in danger your king
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I think black missed a chance to win this game. Be sure to check the move list for variations. I don't know if I got exactly the best defense for white, but black's attack looks very strong to me.
Loomis, the position you start with is not the position Kingfisher gave. Your B Queen is on g5, his h4. Your white king is on h1 his on g1, thus your line is invalid. Black does have to do something quick or White will consoolidate and win.
24 ....Bxh3 25. gxh3 Qxh3 26. Nc1 Ng3 27. fxg3 Qxg3+ is a draw for Black
24....Bxh3 25. gxh3 Nf2 26. Rxf2 Qxf2 27. Kh1 Qxe2 seems to be winning to me.
Actually, I don't think it does.
7.Qe6+ Kh7 Bd3+ (Kh8 Qxg7#) g6 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh7#
7.Qe6+ Rf7 Qe8+ and draw by perpetual
Check the move list. Maybe I missed something, let me know.
well...
bad game for u ...
1]which is his rating?-he cant be very good isnt it?
2]u should open his castle by using some sacrifices..
as u were a pawn up i think u could give it bak before u castle by ataking with the h2 pawn to the enemies kingside
excellent try camdawg7. But after 4...Qxg3, Black has Qxd8+, followed by Bd3+.
So it's not as easy as you suggest...
However, I think I have clear win for Black, if s/he takes the h3 pawn in the end position (ie with the White King on g1 and the Black Queen on h4)
In this case, there is no room to bring pieces to the defence after the rook lift d8-d6.
Most other defences (eg moving the f or g pawn) allow Black at least a perpetual.
Is this right?
Sugradjanine, you was very lucky and your oponent was a chicken! 
I would never accept a draw as a black!
24. ... Bxh3 25. gh3 Nxf2! 26. Rxf2 Qxf2+ 27. Kh1 Qxe2 -+
Sugradjanine, you was very lucky and your oponent was a chicken! I would never accept a draw as a black!
24. ... Bxh3 25. gh3 Nxf2! 26. Rxf2 Qxf2+ 27. Kh1 Qxe2 -+
I saw that line too.
It's great how you all spotted a win for black on move 23. However, he didn't. There's no way of telling weather he'd catch the winning line on 24. either, but I'm content that offering the draw was a good idea.
And Ster, he was 1628 before he took the draw.
Nice game. You had a very good position with a nice advantage until the mistake you pointed out: 17.a4?, and you no longer hold any advantage. Instead, the position becomes extremely sharp all of a sudden.
Later on, 20.Qd3 looks like a further inaccuracy letting his already active position gain an even more imposing look for free.
The more he played (Bf5) is very good, but his position was already so good that he had other promising options as well, for example:
20...Qe5!, and now the threat o Bf5 (if you move after that to a6, Bxh3 gxh3 followed by Rd6 Qd3 Qg5+ looks very dangerous... I think Bg4 giving back a piece to soften the attack somewhat is almost forced).
I see no easy defense to that threat. Still, Bf5 is not any less good.
by move 22, your position is alreday extremely difficult, and actually Bxh3 could have been played for a big advantage immediately after 22.Qxa5, which has to be an error. 22...Bxh3! would have already worked.
Actually, what he played, Qg5, may have been a slight inaccuracy. You could have made things very complex with 2.f4!? and where is the queen going to go? your idea is to play Bf3 or Bd3 (depending on black's reply, if he tries Qg3 then Rf3 and Bd3, if he tries 23...Qh4, my idea is 24.Bf3. You've taken a pawn and your opponent did not keep the pace of his attack. All you have to do is delay him for a couple of moves, and you can survive this:
he CAN try 24...Bxh3, you can either take, which after Qxh3 and Rd6, looks at least dangerous for white to me(maybe a draw, black won't have too many attackers, I don't know), or play 25.Nc1!? bringing the knight back to the defense, and NOW the bishop will have to retreat. I have no idea who has the advantage there. Maybe one of the stronger players can give his opinion.
It was an interesting option.
Later on, while I agree that 23...Bxh3 would have been winning, the move played (Qh4), leaves black with a winning position as well, so yes, he missed an instant win, but it looks like white shouldn't be able to hold it even after that.
Of course, you should have made him WORK for the win. Your move 24.Kg1 simply allows 24...Bxh3 with another instant win.
Looks like the position is lost even with other moves (than Kg1) though, The only way I can find to not crumble instantly in the face of the black attack is something convoluted like this: 24.Bd3!? (crazy) Bxh3 25.Bxe4 (the idea) and the best discovered attack I can find for black is: Bg4 26.Kg1 Bxd1 27.Bd3
But white is too far down in material here. Enough to guarantee a win for black even without an attack (and his a2 knight isn't helping much... so he's even further down in material than it seems, practically).
The other problem occurs if black finds in the end of that line that he can STILL continue the attack with 27...Bf3!, and it's over immediately...
Still, that seems like the only try. If black misses this and decides to switch to defensive moves such as Rc8, it's a long game...
(there are other good, active moves for black in my opinion, but none is as cute as Bf3, which of course cannot be taken).
nice analysis grolich.
black had the win, in more ways than 1.
ur lucky he accepted the draw.
Shaxmat, your diagram is missing a very important black pawn on b4.
My first instinct in this position is 1. ... Bxg4 2. hxg4 Nxf2. Maybe even better than Nxf2 is 2. ... Nd2 attacking the f1 rook. If the f1 rook moves it allows Qxf2+ Black is getting a very strong attack in either one of these lines because white's queen and knight are pretty much out of the game (don't forget the very important black pawn on b4!).
Sometimes it has nothing to do with guts... In the game white is just lost.
There are a few problems with your suggestion:
1) The black b4 pawn was left out by mistake.
2) In your diagram black can play Bxg4 hxg4 Nxf2... Qh1 mate is threatened and you have to give an exchange, c2 pawn drops immediately after that, g4 pawn will inevitably collapse, white's king position is weaker, and after the forced Rxf2 Qxf2+ K moves Qxc2 your knight on a2 drops as well... (But even without the knight dropping it's a horrible position for white).
However, another thing is:
3) your diagram NEVER occured in the game (even if we imagine a black pawn on b4), the reason being: In the game, black played Qg5, on which white replied Kh1, Qh4 Kg1 and it's black's move. There's never been a situation with Q on h4 and K on g1 with white to move (so he could play Bg4) in this game.
So it loses even more meaning.
So you think Bxg4 works against ...Qg5 in the actual game(now there won't be Nxf2... not immediately anyway, and the king is on g1)? Well, in a previous post I already said black had a winning attack and he spoiled it with Qg5 (to which white could reply with f4), but even against that, Bg4 loses quickly to Bxg4, hxg4 Qh4! and amazingly enough, there does not seem to be a sufficient defense against Nxf2 :)
after white missed the f4 chance, it's just too much. Only black can (and SHOULD) win this. It's not a double edged position. getting into these positions is just a bad idea, even before you see the loss. And this comes from me, and I LOVE to see people sacrifice against me in unclear positions. This one, however, is all too clear to me. The attack is too fierce here. A draw was a miracle for white here in the final position.
In this game I got into trouble because I didn't play agressively enough in the opening and ended up with a menacingly looking position that looked like a repetition draw at best.
I offered a draw and my opponent accepted. However, Since I was two pawns up, had I found a way to hold on I had a decent looking endgame. Was I lucky that he accepted the draw or foolish for even offering one?