My first attempt at the London System - FAIL

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chesed1973

I have taken an interest in the London System lately. I am usually an e4 player but I want to play something different for a change. Any help or suggestions with the London System or on this game in particular would be greatly appreciated. My opponent played very well. I added my own analysis. Feel free to add anything that I missed.

 

urk
Looks painful.
A lot of inaccuracies add up to a miserable position.
Speaking in general terms, your moves are lacking in logic, for instance Bh2?
Bh2 cannot be the best move or even a good move, so why play it? You don't have to blunder to lose a game, just settling for inferior moves will do the job.
RussBell

The following book features an excellent introductory tutorial (pages 70-103) on the London System....

"Tips for Young Players" by Matthew Sadler

https://www.amazon.com/Tips-Young-Players-Matthew-Sadler/dp/1857442318/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482664762&sr=1-1&keywords=tips+for+young+players

The following are currently the best books on the London System....

"Win With The London System" by S.Johnsen & V.Kovacevic

"The Agile London System" by Romero & de Prado

"Winning With the Modern London System" by Nikola Sedlak

https://www.amazon.com/Win-London-System-Sverre-Johnsen/dp/1904600352/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482665122&sr=1-1&keywords=win+with+the+london+system

https://www.amazon.com/Agile-London-System-Dynamic-Opening/dp/9056916890/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482665162&sr=1-1&keywords=the+agile+london+system

https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Modern-London-System-Nikola/dp/8394429092/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482665206&sr=1-1&keywords=winning+with+the+modern+london+system

chesed1973
urk wrote:
Looks painful.
A lot of inaccuracies add up to a miserable position.
Speaking in general terms, your moves are lacking in logic, for instance Bh2?
Bh2 cannot be the best move or even a good move, so why play it? You don't have to blunder to lose a game, just settling for inferior moves will do the job.

I agree. I played too quickly and should have come up with something better. That move is usually played to get the bishop away from the pawn advance, but was not necessary in this situation.

chesed1973

I am reading the "Agile London System" now. I have just started to work through it. I will check the others out too. Thanks.

BronsteinPawn

Why do you want to play Ne5 so early on? Lol

urk
3. Ne5 Bf5 4. c4 looks good to me, as per the Hodgson Attack.
BronsteinPawn

I mean, it makes some sense here because the bishop is on g4, but your annotation made me thought you wanted to play early Ne5s in all variations of the London.

chesed1973
BronsteinPawn wrote:

Why do you want to play Ne5 so early on? Lol

Why not? This is recommended by Stockfish. It doesn't look like white can displace the knight any time in the next few moves. You are higher rated so I would be very interested your suggestion for a third move.

BronsteinPawn

Ne5 makes sense in this exact position, I forgot about the bishop on g4 which is misplaced.

BronsteinPawn

I think you really started playing weird moves that did not follow the plan of a kingside attack aroudn Bh2.

Bh2 should only be played when Black plays something like Nh5- threatening to take the important bishop.

Qa4, I dont like it. I cant really find a reason to justifiy the move. You are supposed to play on the center/kingside, the queen is doing nothing on a4.

In fact I dont think Bh2 is what made you lose but Qa4. The queen is actually such a horrible piece there.

With the queen on a4 you couldnt play dxe5 and 0-0 when he took your knight on e5 because d2 would hang and Black just played b5 with tempo.

chesed1973
BronsteinPawn wrote:

I think you really started playing weird moves that did not follow the plan of a kingside attack aroudn Bh2.

Bh2 should only be played when Black plays something like Nh5- threatening to take the important bishop.

Qa4, I dont like it. I cant really find a reason to justifiy the move. You are supposed to play on the center/kingside, the queen is doing nothing on a4.

In fact I dont think Bh2 is what made you lose but Qa4. The queen is actually such a horrible piece there.

With the queen on a4 you couldnt play dxe5 and 0-0 when he took your knight on e5 because d2 would hang and Black just played b5 with tempo.

That helps a lot. I played too quickly and should have seen that simply castling broke that pin. The Queen had no business on that side of the board and was just a patzer mistake. The good thing is that I learned a lot about positional play from this game and from the feedback that everyone has been so kind to give. I can't wait to try it again. I won't lose focus on the kingside next time.

chesed1973
BronsteinPawn wrote:

I mean, it makes some sense here because the bishop is on g4, but your annotation made me thought you wanted to play early Ne5s in all variations of the London.

I see. Not at all. Just in this situation. From my understanding, in many lines of the London, Ne5 is a goal, but I wouldn't play it so early in the more common variations.

chesed1973

Nh2 was just terrible. e5 was not a threat at that point. I had three pieces aiming at that square for Pete's sake!

BronsteinPawn

Ne5 is a typical move in the London but not with a queen on a4...

chesed1973
BronsteinPawn wrote:

Ne5 is a typical move in the London but not with a queen on a4...

Perhaps I should have put the question to the LSB with 10. Nh4 instead? One thing I regret in this game is letting that piece sit there.

SAGM001

Yes . 

BronsteinPawn

Yes. You should have eliminated that light squared bishop which really pressured your position

 

RussBell
chesed1973 wrote:

I am reading the "Agile London System" now. I have just started to work through it. I will check the others out too. Thanks.

"The Agile London System" is very good.  If you intend to play the London System as a main opening, you should also acquire the Johnsen & Kovacevic book as well - it is excellent.  These two books will hold you in very good stead with the London System...!

kindaspongey

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627074459/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen85.pdf

http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Win_with_the_London_System.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9035.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7619.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627100246/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen139.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093403/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/tips.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7656.pdf

and there is also the Cyrus Lakdawala book, First Steps: The Colle and London Systems.