yes good game, nice spot on the knight sac. Yes, d4 is an excellent response to the philidor defence
my first succesfull sacrifice
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After 4) dxe5 if he takes with the f pawn you have Nxe5 de Qh5 g6 Qxe5 winning the rook; if he takes on move 4 with the d pawn then exchange queens, develop and castle queenside with initiative. Certainly giving up the knight was a nice idea but if he had answered with Be7 then the trap was unsuccessful. Might be better on move 15 to exchange 2 minor pieces each on f6 then take the f6 pawn hitting the rook and threatening Bh5.
Yes, obviously you played this well. Equally obviously black played incredibly terrible. COMMENTS:
Mind boggling that players of this rank get 18 moves into the game with insufficient thought to King safety.
I can only think Black was trying to eat dinner and watching television while playing this game.
Excellent first sac. See, as gut wrenching as they are, they can work !!!
Check out some more of Bobby Fischer's games for some sac's that will blow your mind !!!!
You were already 2 pawns behind so it was worth taking the risk.
Note that black would have won after 15. ... Qxe4 16.Qe6+ Be7, but you anticipated his greedy reaction correctly.
Jul 15, 2012
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#6
Great Sacrifice!!!!
A little more dramatic would have been to Sacrifice
the Queen and still mate with a bishop.
IMHO
It's Philidor, Not philoshopher :-P. And the sac is commitial, for which the opponent was dumb to take. Anyways, an excellent sac. do let me know when you sac your queen :-D
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:
After 4) dxe5 if he takes with the f pawn you have Nxe5 de Qh5 g6 Qxe5 winning the rook; if he takes on move 4 with the d pawn then exchange queens, develop and castle queenside with initiative.
4.dxe5 dxe5 5.Qxd8+ Kxd8 is pretty dull. White doesn't have much in the way of initiative. After Black plays ..c6 all the entry points into his camp will be covered and he can develop in peace. When White castles with check the Black K will just move up to c7 or e7 where he contributes to the defense of the d6 square. A slow, manuevering game ensues. Although White currently has an extra piece developed the pawns on e5 and f6 limit the possibilities of the N on f3, so that piece will likely have to move again.
3...f6? has no tactical refutation, in fact the e5 square is very strong, but it commits Black to total passivity. 4.Bc4! is the perfect move here. It cuts across Black's position, preventing his good bishop from getting a square on e6. Black simply has no attractive development possibilities, provided White maintains the tension; doesn't take on e5 too early and doesn't push d5 like this guy did.
Jul 15, 2012
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#9
after a computer analisis from this game the computer kept saying Bxf6 from move 7 till he ate my knight i dont understand this move the pinned knight isnt doing much for black and also its my good bishop for the time being after Pxf6 i dont have much i can do can some one explain this move
Jul 15, 2012
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#10
AcivilizedGentleman wrote:
wouldnt black win easily by simply capturing with the queen? Not sure if I can call your sac a success.
Jul 15, 2012
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tastendruecker wrote:
You were already 2 pawns behind so it was worth taking the risk.
Note that black would have won after 15. ... Qxe4 16.Qe6+ Be7, but you anticipated his greedy reaction correctly.
Nice mate!!
correct. wp.
Jul 16, 2012
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#14
hmm...It seems the idea of bxf6 is the black king is in the center still and we need to take advantage of this. Maybe the idea is bxf6 qxf6 and b-b5....with the idea of after 9...c6 10dxc,bxc6 11. 0-0!? (if cxb5 then q-d5 with a better position for white..) Now the development of the pieces for black seems very awkard...so to continue with "natural" moves b-e7 12. c3, 0-0 13. b-a4, d5(otherwise bxc6 although it does look dangerous capturing the pawn for white-what does the comp say about this position?) 14 qe2, e4 15n-d4 and while black has the bishop pair his pawns seem weak although white will have to defend very accurately. But, computers aren't worried about defending accurately. So maybe the end position is defensible if you are a computer..
interesting one. braavo!
Nice sacrifice! Though Black falls on the trap by taking the Knight on e4. Being materialistic often leads to defeat. :)
Good game indeed.
-nyLsel
Greed pays.
Good game and nice diagonal controls.
Jul 16, 2012
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erikido23 wrote:
hmm...It seems the idea of bxf6 is the black king is in the center still and we need to take advantage of this. Maybe the idea is bxf6 qxf6 and b-b5....with the idea of after 9...c6 10dxc,bxc6 11. 0-0!? (if cxb5 then q-d5 with a better position for white..) Now the development of the pieces for black seems very awkard...so to continue with "natural" moves b-e7 12. c3, 0-0 13. b-a4, d5(otherwise bxc6 although it does look dangerous capturing the pawn for white-what does the comp say about this position?) 14 qe2, e4 15n-d4 and while black has the bishop pair his pawns seem weak although white will have to defend very accurately. But, computers aren't worried about defending accurately. So maybe the end position is defensible if you are a computer..
intresting idea start the attack on the king side then once hes got his qween there switch sides
sorry i venturentued too far from what you said :P both sides look in trouble here idk whos winning and i used my only analisis per week :P open for coments
pfren wrote:
The remedy suggested by Here_Is_Plenty is very instructive: Please try at all costs NOT doing what he suggested to exploit your advantages. After 4.de5 de5 5.Qxd8+ Kxd8 white has no real advantage, which is very easy to understand: Black has equal share in the center, no weak squares, and his king can find a perfectly safe cover at c7, or e7. He is lagging a bit in development, but this isn't a terminal problem.
The remedy is very simple: Straightforward development. I would play 4.Nc3, but any reasonable bishop move (Bc4, Be2, Be3) should also leave white much for preference.
Okay, I will assume pfren that you are not just trolling me again. I can see where you are coming from but what I was thinking was based on the fact that the black knights will struggle for squares, f6 being covered and the obvious option of c7 for the king requires either a weakening pawn move to c5 or one to c6 where it blocks the other knight. As you observe, Black is lagging in development. White, on the other hand, can develop smoothly with Nc3, Be3, 0-0-0 and a range of moves for the light squared bishop. So faced in practical terms with better structure to develop from, more flexible options and a slight lead in development, I believe white does have some advantage. I never said it was winning but it is far more comfortable for him than for black. Your other suggested haven for the king was on e7 - yes, sure, as long as he gets the kingside bishop and knight out smoothly first. I am not claiming by any means to be more capable of analysing it than you are, I respect that you are an IM and frequently are helpful and knowledgable; I do feel however that you can be deliberately insulting with little cause for it.
Jul 16, 2012
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#20
Like I said if black takes the bishop q -d5 and either the rook falls or the knight...with a better position for white
manseaua wrote:
erikido23 wrote:
hmm...It seems the idea of bxf6 is the black king is in the center still and we need to take advantage of this. Maybe the idea is bxf6 qxf6 and b-b5....with the idea of after 9...c6 10dxc,bxc6 11. 0-0!? (if cxb5 then q-d5 with a better position for white..) Now the development of the pieces for black seems very awkard...so to continue with "natural" moves b-e7 12. c3, 0-0 13. b-a4, d5(otherwise bxc6 although it does look dangerous capturing the pawn for white-what does the comp say about this position?) 14 qe2, e4 15n-d4 and while black has the bishop pair his pawns seem weak although white will have to defend very accurately. But, computers aren't worried about defending accurately. So maybe the end position is defensible if you are a computer..
intresting idea start the attack on the king side then once hes got his qween there switch sides
sorry i venturentued too far from what you said :P both sides look in trouble here idk whos winning and i used my only analisis per week :P open for coments
plz post any mistakes or obvious better moves i could have made :)