Open 1.f4 challengers?

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veteranmate

I've been using 1. f4 for a while now, everyone seems to think it's a "weak" opening? I've posted a few 1. f4 openings. Tell me what you think? If you think YOU are the one who has what it takes, post a challenge here, then I will accept and after the game, I will post the results here, in this forum.

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Alik543 wrote:

Actually, you are playing against ''weak'' players.For example instead of 8 ... Nd7, was 0-0 much better.Also was 26 ... Nf2 a blunder.And have you ever heard of From gambit, Lasker Variation?

very true, I was playing a weak opponent. But, non the less, stronger opponents have lost as well with this opening. Just cause their rating is low, doesn't mean they are weak. My rating, for example, here is VERY low. But I'm almost a 1800 rated in USCF(United States Chess Federation) in both OTB and correspondence. Especially OTB, where players can't cheat and can't blame anything except their game playing. But that's the beauty of playing, not everyone, including myself, ever play a perfect game. I make mistakes, plenty. This isn't a solid opening, but I'm working on it.

I have studied lots of games, but haven't studied in years. So no, I haven't hear of the Gambit you asked about.

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Alik543 wrote:

Actually, you are playing against ''weak'' players.For example instead of 8 ... Nd7, was 0-0 much better.Also was 26 ... Nf2 a blunder.And have you ever heard of From gambit, Lasker Variation?

I looked up the Gambit, yes, I played against something starting like that. I have both lost and won against it.

MrHumbug

Looks like a watered-down King´s Gambit to me, but without the advantages ...

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MrHumbug wrote:

Looks like a watered-down King´s Gambit to me, but without the advantages ...


King's Gambit 1. e4 2. f4...not really a Kings Gambit, also due to I'm not offered a Gambit position. Nothing is threatening anything.

schlechter55

veteranmate, I challenge you. I want to have Black, and you play 1.f4.

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Bluebird1964 wrote:

There is nothing wrong Birds but either 1... d5 or 1... d6 both with the idea of a rapid Bg4 against 2.Nf3 are decent lines for Black. 


I agree, even 1...e5 has given me greef. But, I'm dealing with it. A lot of players are scared to play that Gambit. Even though I don't see anything wrong with it. It is a aggressive counter and stops 2 Nf3, allowing the Queen to do a weak check and forcing me to block with a pawn and disrupting my pawn structure.

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schlechter55 wrote:

veteranmate, I challenge you. I want to have Black, and you play 1.f4.


Accepted and made move Laughing

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Bluebird1964 wrote:

Fromm Gambit is completely unsound, all black gets is a load of cheap tricks. 


LMAO, true! Cheap tricks that can catch most ppl off guard if they don't know what they're doing, or vise-versa, if one doesn't know how to play the Gambit solidly.

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Bluebird1964 wrote:

Veteranmate, have a look at the games of Thomas Rendle (Trendle on here).

Only player I know to play Birds regularly with good results.

I will. Also, if you want, I posted  my 1. f4 openings on here as well. You can find them on my page if you care to look at them. Please leave a comment on the ones you observed. ThanksLaughing

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MrHumbug wrote:

Looks like a watered-down King´s Gambit to me, but without the advantages ...


AcceptedLaughing

XCheck

The From Gambit may be unsound (which I doubt), but I certainly wouldn't volunteer to play the white side OTB.

Irontiger
Bluebird1964 wrote:

Fromm Gambit is completely unsound, all black gets is a load of cheap tricks. 

Eric Schiller disagrees.

"A load of cheap tricks" is usually called "initiative". Black's compensation for the pawn is obvious (which does not mean it is sufficient).

I have lost one (1) game in the From gambit (out of a twenty-ish number) here, but that's mostly due to the fact only patzers play the bird here. I never met it OTB either. I played the Bird once at the club and my opponent went into reverse Dutch and went butchered, but again, probably not because of the opening.

Remellion

I agree with everything Irontiger says. When white accepts the pawn, he has to unicycle through a minefield for the next ten or so moves. With accurate play, black's attack can be parried, but it's a tightrope for white. I've gotten smited on the white side (4...Bg4 or 4...Nf6 then 5...Ng4 have usually caused great grief) often enough to give up on the Bird's. (That, and eventually coming to hate the Stonewall structures and loathe the king "safety" in the Leningrad.)

I do still think 1. f4 is a sound opening, though. It's a great backup weapon.

finns

after 1...d5 i play a reversed stonewall, with plans of Ne5 to open the f file. After 1...e5 i play the king's gambit

finns

The king's gambit is gambitting the king's bishop's pawn, not the king!

Like this

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noleryer wrote:

I know, but its busted

Why? Strong GMs play it (but playing e4 before f4)

finns

GM Joe Gallagher still plays it. Fischer only 'busted' 3.Nf3, and not many people agree with him. Fischer still played 3.Bc4

tmkroll

Fischer's line doesn't actually bust the King's Gambit though I think White does have problems in some of the lines after Nf3, Hanstein, Kieseritzky. Fischer's line is not so challenging. Anyway there's still a lot unexplored and if that's not to your taste play Bc4 intead (as Fischer did on occasion even after writing his paper.)

Also I don't think the From's Gambit is unsound. The g5 lines aren't good but I don't see anything wrong with the Nf6 lines. Proving White doesn't have to fall for tricks involving Ng4 and a capture on h2 in those lines doesn't prove the Gambit is unsound. I play those lines often and post-mortem analyzing with Houdini the engine seems to think Black is about equal for what it's worth. Simply by "playing chess and not counting the pawns" Black doesn't seem to me to have a bad game. Now I'm not going to say From's is the best way to play against 1. f4 but to those who say it's unsound I'd like to see the refutation.

Irontiger

@all : see this :http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/kings-gambit-a-good-opening?page=32 (and next 20 pages)

Afterwards, do not feed the troll about the KG, please.

 

First time I saw the Bird on the board, I thought it was an incorrect opening. When I learnt about the From (I saw it first in Alekhine's 200 chess games where it transposes to the KG), I thought it was busted. Obviously this is not true, but it does not mean the From is busted either.