Should I consider this a draw?

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vantangler

I'll ignore those mean comments.  At least there are some people here who understand what its like to be a new player. 

I just think that there should be room for situational interpretation at he novice/intermediate levels. 

EscherehcsE
vantangler wrote:

I'll ignore those mean comments.  At least there are some people here who understand what its like to be a new player. 

I just think that there should be room for situational interpretation at he novice/intermediate levels. 

We all understand what it's like to be a new player, but none of us can understand how you can take a loss and use pretzel logic to twist it into a draw. You can use "if's and but's" to explain how the result might have been different had you not blundered, but the fact remains that you did blunder, and the game was a loss. The rules of chess are clear; You have to execute to obtain certain results. You don't get points just because you're a nice guy or know something in theory; You must show that knowledge on the chessboard.

vantangler

I guess this will never be resolved then....   

 

Is it possible to remove the disputed game from my and the other guys game history?  I could site this thread as evidence.  I would hate to have my rating influenced/tarnished by a dubious game.

stanhope13

I think you should consider this as  a loss, very clearly.

stanhope13

Bad luck.

EscherehcsE
vantangler wrote:

I guess this will never be resolved then....

 

It's been resolved by everyone except you...

yipyip108

Two word verdict:

 

You lost.

EscherehcsE
vantangler wrote:

Is it possible to remove the disputed game from my and the other guys game history?  I could site this thread as evidence.  I would hate to have my rating influenced/tarnished by a dubious game.

This is getting completely weird. So you'd want to cheat your opponent out of a win? That's not very sportsmanlike of you, to be frank.

 

Let me guess...In your school, all of your teachers told you that you were special, and none of the teachers used red ink to grade test papers.

vantangler

Well i guess it doesn't have to be removed from his history.  That would be fair. It just seems to me that penalising a player for an unwarranted loss is not in the spirit of chess as a world class game. It's reminiscent of Gallarga's no hitter being ruined by the umpire, and not taken back.  It happens in baseball, I would hate to see it ruin the chess community too.

wanmokewan

Nevermind, just continue to live in your own world.  Just stay out of ours.

vantangler

I'm just trying to shed light on an obvious flaw in FIDE chess governance/rules.  I would hate for people to exploit this technicality for there own personal gain.   you can check out all of my other losses / wins, they are all perfectly acceptable, this is the only one that is suspect.

 

AussieMatey

How could you be a 'new player' when in your opening post you said you've been playing for 'over 15 years' ???

wanmokewan

There is no technicality, dumbdonkey.

vantangler

I didn't say i was a new player, I said i was like a new player, so i know what being a new player feels like.  That said, there should be some tolerance for a "new/lower rated player" to have circumstantial considerations in the evaluation of their games from the broader chess community, considering that external factors (lack of focus, inexperience, lack of skill) are more difficult to contend with for the lower rated players, leading to unintended consequences because of a poor move made under pressure.  

lfPatriotGames
vantangler wrote:

I just think that at the lower rating levels, there should be the "whole game" taking into consideration, (kind of what you are referring to) before assigning a clear victor, especially if there is a rapid swing of fortunes in the final few moves.  The community body (+2000), would assign a winner, taking the entire game into consideration.  this would be an elegant and FAIR way to determine what lower ranking players are better than other lower ranking players  

Fortunately this very issue has already been addressed.  For lower rated players (and all players really) the community body has come up with an elegant and fair way to assign a clear victor. They have done it by taking the entire game into consideration. Especially taking into account rapid swings of fortune in the final few moves. They did it this way...playing by the rules starting with the games first move, every move after that builds upon or is determined by the previous move, until the game ends with a checkmate, stalemate, or draw. In this way, lower ranked players are able to determine which other lower ranked players are better.  You are lucky, you got exactly what you asked for.

vantangler
lfPatriotGames wrote:
vantangler wrote:

I just think that at the lower rating levels, there should be the "whole game" taking into consideration, (kind of what you are referring to) before assigning a clear victor, especially if there is a rapid swing of fortunes in the final few moves.  The community body (+2000), would assign a winner, taking the entire game into consideration.  this would be an elegant and FAIR way to determine what lower ranking players are better than other lower ranking players  

Fortunately this very issue has already been addressed.  For lower rated players (and all players really) the community body has come up with an elegant and fair way to assign a clear victor. They have done it by taking the entire game into consideration. Especially taking into account rapid swings of fortune in the final few moves. They did it this way...playing by the rules starting with the games first move, every move after that builds upon or is determined by the previous move, until the game ends with a checkmate, stalemate, or draw. In this way, lower ranked players are able to determine which other lower ranked players are better.  You are lucky, you got exactly what you asked for.

I undestand what you mean, but there is still no allowances for lower ranked players. I think that below a certain threshold, there should be a scoring mechanism that allows the player who played better (as a whole) to be declared the winner.  This would in turn force the two poorly ranked players to actually play better, instead of obsessing with turning a loss into a win or draw during the course of the game

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EthanSky

Derps XD

vantangler

Here is another example of such a game (though i admittedly didnt see the winning move untill it was too late) But i actually do feel that white played better throughout the game, and he should have won irregardless of the outcome)  

 

MitSud

This game is just full of blunders, and your forced draw line isn’t a forced draw, white doesn’t have to take the a-pawn

wanmokewan

Fine, if you really want this, contact FIDE.