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Hi! i'm new to chess and i'm just wondering why the game gave me a stalemate here? I feel like I won this easily!?

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Stalemate is when it is the other player's turn but they can't move without getting checkmated this could be because you have too many queens checking the king

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seems a bit silly to me.. I clearly won?

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Nope you clearly didn`t. 

You can only win if you checkmate your opponent, or if they resign or if they run out of time. None of that happened.

Rules are rules. 

And you agreed to them (even if you didn`t know about the stalemate rule) when you signed up for that chess game. You had thousands of ways to checkmate your opponent with all the pieces  you had, yet you didn't, so it`s a draw. Because it`s your opponent`s move and s/he has no legal moves. Textbook stalemate. Draw. Half a point each. Lesson learned.

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Next time... don't promote Pawns to extra Queens unless you NEED them.

If you only had one Queen instead of two, it is much less likely to stalemate.

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Tbh it okay to promote pawns to queens if you know what you are doing 2 days ago i had 4 queens and one bishop and won the game

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Zoogtar wrote:

seems a bit silly to me.. I clearly won?

You clearly drew.

Chess is a game of many facets. It will take time to learn them all. The stalemate rule is one that catches out many inexperienced players, and sometimes experienced ones too !

The stalemate rule is over 200 years old and although it may appear silly to you, abandoning it would mean throwing 200 years worth of chess analysis in the bin. That will not happen.

Chess is all about learning from experience.

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Zoogtar wrote:

seems a bit silly to me.. I clearly won?

Yes, it is a bit silly to start playing a game without knowing the most basic rules. Like for example what is a win.

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ChessPopShop wrote:

Tbh it okay to promote pawns to queens if you know what you are doing 2 days ago i had 4 queens and one bishop and won the game

My point is that it is HARDER to win with four Queens than it is with one.

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The game gives you a stalemate because the king must move, but the king can never move into check, and the opponent can't skip a turn. This french/italian rule was actualized in the whole world in the early 19th century.

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blueemu wrote:
ChessPopShop wrote:

Tbh it okay to promote pawns to queens if you know what you are doing 2 days ago i had 4 queens and one bishop and won the game

My point is that it is HARDER to win with four Queens than it is with one.

I thought it's easier to win with 4 queens than it is with one because checkmate with four queens is the same like checkmate with two rooks (or rook and queen)

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Raphael wrote:
blueemu wrote:
ChessPopShop wrote:

Tbh it okay to promote pawns to queens if you know what you are doing 2 days ago i had 4 queens and one bishop and won the game

My point is that it is HARDER to win with four Queens than it is with one.

I thought it's easier to win with 4 queens than it is with one because checkmate with four queens is the same like checkmate with two rooks (or rook and queen)

Stalemate becomes far more likely with a board full of unnecessary pieces.

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A common rule of thumb for games between young beginners is that K+Q vs K will be a draw about half the time (repetition or stalemate) and K+Q+Q vs K will be a draw 90% of the time (generally stalemate).

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jetoba wrote:

A common rule of thumb for games between young beginners is that K+Q vs K will be a draw about half the time (repetition or stalemate) and K+Q+Q vs K will be a draw 90% of the time (generally stalemate).

I think this is closer to the truth of the matter than anything else written above. It is very difficult to avoid stalemate if you don't know what stalemate is. You just have to get lucky.

On the other hand, it is a complete mystery to me how can that type pf beginner even exist.  From what source did they learn to play chess? Is there any source that bothers to explain how all the pieces move, but it is entirely silent about checkmate and stalemate?

Also, when the computer declares that the game is "drawn by stalemate", how is the guy not using a search engine to search what stalemate means in chess? It is utterly bizarre to open a new topic stating that "I feel like I won this".

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Zoogtar a scris:

 

 

Hi! i'm new to chess and i'm just wondering why the game gave me a stalemate here? I feel like I won this easily!?
He gave you a stale mate beause the oponnet can't move.

 

 

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magipi wrote:
jetoba wrote:

A common rule of thumb for games between young beginners is that K+Q vs K will be a draw about half the time (repetition or stalemate) and K+Q+Q vs K will be a draw 90% of the time (generally stalemate).

I think this is closer to the truth of the matter than anything else written above. It is very difficult to avoid stalemate if you don't know what stalemate is. You just have to get lucky.

On the other hand, it is a complete mystery to me how can that type pf beginner even exist.  From what source did they learn to play chess? Is there any source that bothers to explain how all the pieces move, but it is entirely silent about checkmate and stalemate?

Also, when the computer declares that the game is "drawn by stalemate", how is the guy not using a search engine to search what stalemate means in chess? It is utterly bizarre to open a new topic stating that "I feel like I won this".

Over the decades I've been an arbiter at hundreds of tournaments with young beginning players (figure tens of thousands of such games).  If a kid is at such a tournament they are generally there as part of a school club that has explained the existence of stalemate, so I spend a lot fewer games having to explain what stalemate is than having to explain why a game isn't stalemate even though the king (not in check) does not have a square it can safely move to (a quick explanation is pointing to a nearby board in the initial position and asking if White is in stalemate because the king cannot move).

Beginners have a tendency to overlook all of the squares that are covered by the queen(s), especially diagonals, and thus blunder into stalemate even though they know it exists.  Occasionally even much stronger players can overlook such diagonals (more likely in a time scramble).

 

I sometimes have to deal with adults that are first time tournament players that previously defeated everybody in their families, neighborhood and workplace (think of a 300 strength player dominating the players that would only be rated as high as 100 in a rating system that has a 100 floor).  I occasionally have to pull out the rulebook and show the stalemate rules before they will grudgingly accept it (once I gave a player the address of the US Chess Federation to further complain about my ruling - never heard anything afterwards).  

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Great!

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blueemu wrote:

Next time... don't promote Pawns to extra Queens unless you NEED them.

If you only had one Queen instead of two, it is much less likely to stalemate.

This isn't bad advice, but a good way to prevent a draw is to always give a check the king in this situation, or you can check that the squares around the king are not entirely covered when you play a move.

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Zoogtar wrote:

 

 

Hi! i'm new to chess and i'm just wondering why the game gave me a stalemate here? I feel like I won this easily!?

A stalemate is a draw, you didn't win. It is when the king is forced to move but cannot without moving into check. There are also draws by repetition, 50-move rule, agreement, and insufficient material.