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Doctorjosephthomas

no

acgirl

for me YES they say chess is not an art it is a war........

i believe that you can not win a war if there is no art..one evidence is

why Rome did not fall before in many battle....one reason is because or their engineers and architect...

art play a big role in a WAR....

Nytik
princetrumpet wrote:

Every symphony has an introduction (opening), thematic material (analysis and approach to an opponent), development (development of material), a coda (endgame), and a finale (checkmate!). 


I like this, you could actually imagine the different parts of the symphony playing during each part of the game, as they would actually represent what is being played. A nice soft start, but gathering pace, with a grand finale... I might just waste today making a video.

Oh, the survey. Chess is an art.

rjboy

thanks guys for giving a time of this survey.....good bless us....

i will post the result after 3 days from the time i post this......THANKS

tommygdrums
WellRounded wrote:

No.

 

It is a very complex game, and therefore, people easily confuse it with being artistic.  I haven't studied the subject in depth, but it should be said that chess combinations are finite, while most artistic forms are not.  Because the combinations of chess are finite, but vast, it has a similar look and feel when it hasn't been explored the way great players have explored it(thus, chess960, adding a great number more of combinations.)  Anyway, GL with your survey.


I believe chess and music are very related!  A musical instrument has a finite number of notes that it can make from its "starting position".  It is in what order the musician plays those notes that make the variations vast!  Also the musician can manipulate those notes.  I think the chess is the same.  It is how the player chooses to manipulate the combinations etc. etc.  Not all chess players are artist but the great one are, just as not all musicians are artists.  A truly great make of furniture can create a work of art.  Art is all in the manipulation of the possible choices.  And of course heart!

RoyalFlush1991

No, chess is objective: two computers that are programmed at highest possible parameters will find the exact same move. Art is subjective, what one classifies as beautiful may very be well displeasing to someone else.

tommygdrums
RoyalFlush1991 wrote:

No, chess is objective: two computers that are programmed at highest possible parameters will find the exact same move. Art is subjective, what one classifies as beautiful may very be well displeasing to someone else.


Yes chess is objective in that sense, but you could say the same for music.  A computer can generate all the parts of a band or orchestra and play those parts with "perfect" time and the computer will also be perfectly in tune. 

But I could not imagine a computer ever actually replacing the heart and soul of Aretha Franklin, The New York Philharmonic, Miles Davis, etc. etc.

It is how the players (music, chess or otherwise) manipulate the choices before them  in either endeavor and the passion and human spirit that they put forth  during said endeavor that creates art.

hatman123

maybe no

L0sseR

yes anyway i like to paint

RC_Woods

no

herrickc24

no

joshgregory7

No

RyanMK

no

jgregory59025

No

 

its logic

kenmack

no

bobobbob

Yes

art- the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

Chess games can be beautiful so it is an art.

RoyalFlush1991
tommygdrums wrote:
RoyalFlush1991 wrote:

No, chess is objective: two computers that are programmed at highest possible parameters will find the exact same move. Art is subjective, what one classifies as beautiful may very be well displeasing to someone else.


Yes chess is objective in that sense, but you could say the same for music.  A computer can generate all the parts of a band or orchestra and play those parts with "perfect" time and the computer will also be perfectly in tune. 

But I could not imagine a computer ever actually replacing the heart and soul of Aretha Franklin, The New York Philharmonic, Miles Davis, etc. etc.

It is how the players (music, chess or otherwise) manipulate the choices before them  in either endeavor and the passion and human spirit that they put forth  during said endeavor that creates art.


Once again I will point you to my original argument, I can say I dislike Aretha Franklin and there would be a sufficient group of people that would agree but if I showed you a checkmate in three, you can't say no that's not the right continuation.

GmatCat

NO

tommygdrums
RoyalFlush1991 wrote:
tommygdrums wrote:
RoyalFlush1991 wrote:

No, chess is objective: two computers that are programmed at highest possible parameters will find the exact same move. Art is subjective, what one classifies as beautiful may very be well displeasing to someone else.


Yes chess is objective in that sense, but you could say the same for music.  A computer can generate all the parts of a band or orchestra and play those parts with "perfect" time and the computer will also be perfectly in tune. 

But I could not imagine a computer ever actually replacing the heart and soul of Aretha Franklin, The New York Philharmonic, Miles Davis, etc. etc.

It is how the players (music, chess or otherwise) manipulate the choices before them  in either endeavor and the passion and human spirit that they put forth  during said endeavor that creates art.


Once again I will point you to my original argument, I can say I dislike Aretha Franklin and there would be a sufficient group of people that would agree but if I showed you a checkmate in three, you can't say no that's not the right continuation.


Just like if I played you an F Dominant 7th chord you cannot tell me that it is not an F Dominant  7th chord.  It how and when Aretha or Mozart choose to use that chord.  Petrosian, Fischer, Capablanca et. al.  have all chosen different ways to use the various tactics in chess and they were all world champions with vastly different styles.  Music, like chess is an art based on science.  Once again I will say that the creation of art is brought about by how one chooses to use the tools and knowledge of their given craft or field.

 

As another example of just how elated music and chess really are is the evolution of theory.  A long time ago the F Dominant 7th chord would have been blasphemy because of an interval that exists in it called a tri-tone.  The tri-tone used to be called the "devil in music".  It was persona non grata!  Now it is everywhere!  It is fully accepted by our ears!

Opening with anything other then e4 or d4 was unheard of for many years now openings are all over the place.  Theory in any art form evolves.

phishcake5

"Do you believe that most of the chess players is an artist"

No, but, I believe even class players can create something of beauty and artistry in their games.