Want to know how many people are the full winning sequence for white.
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I posted this on Reddit and many players just made fun of me saying anyone can instantly see it. But after asking them to explain it, they were pretty much all missing the real full sequence. Most tried to act like they got it all along, even editing their previous comments 👎🏻
Let me know if you can see it and if you can, how long did it take, what your rating is and if you've spotted in on your own or if this something you've come across in post game analysis and remembered (like myself!).
Honor system 👍🏻
*I apologize for the typo in the post title. I couldn't figure out if there was a way to fix it!"
I spotted it instantly. Based on your definition I didn't spot it on my own, it's a pattern that I know, however I don't recall when I first discovered this pattern. My rating is in my profile, I don't have an official rating.
Qxg7 ...Qf6, Bh6
Do I stop in three moves when I determine that White wins a pawn and the exchange or do I keep going?
Suppose I said find the full winning sequence here. The full winning sequence is 14 moves long.
PS I really, really hate the forum software. It keeps getting worse, we use to be able to easily post puzzles. Now everything except game fragments fails with "opps looks like something went wrong".
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Suppose I said find the full winning sequence here. The full winning sequence is 14 moves long.
There is no particular "winning sequence" here: many moves are winning for Black. If there is a question, this is "Black to play and mate in 13", but this isn't particulary interesting for a real game.
Sep 27, 2022
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@Jackypaper824 Never seen this before. Rating is just over a thousand. Spent maybe 10 minutes on it, not sure where I went wrong. I can still see some progression but really by the end of my calculations the king is running naked in the wild. Curious to see what the real answer is.
Going to start with white being move “1”.
1.) Qg7 Qf6
2.) Bh6 Qh6
3.) Qh8 Bd6
4.) Qg8 Bf8
5.)Kne5 ke7
6.) Qf7 Kd6
Going to start with white being move “1”.
1.) Qg7 Qf6
2.) Bh6 Qh6
3.) Qh8 Bd6
4.) Qg8 Bf8
5.)Kne5 ke7
6.) Qf7 Kd6
You've got it! I was basically talking to your move 3.
When writing chess notation, you'll want to use an x for captures. I.e. Qxg7 👍🏻
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Do I stop in three moves when I determine that White wins a pawn and the exchange or do I keep going
After winning the exchange.
Most people thought they just straight won the rook after taking on g7.
And players who faced this on Lichess after Qf6, roughly 80% missed Bh6
Sep 27, 2022
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Forgot about the x for the capture. Ok feel a little better now, I was staring for the longest time wondering how the mate was supposed to happen.
pfren wrote:
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Suppose I said find the full winning sequence here. The full winning sequence is 14 moves long.
There is no particular "winning sequence" here: many moves are winning for Black. If there is a question, this is "Black to play and mate in 13", but this isn't particulary interesting for a real game.
Ohh, I am quibbling about the definition of "full sequence."
I got this position in a blitz game, played 9...Qh4 10. h3 10.Nxf2, and won easily . Then I gave the position to a machine to see which capture was better. In about 10 seconds Stockfish told me I missed a mate.
Note the most useful puzzle that I got out of a blitz game, but damn is the computer strong.
It doesn't matter because it's a winning attack and I don't think you need to see the whole thing in your head before you play it. The sequence I saw was 1. Qxg7 ...Qf6 2. Bh6 ...Qxh6 3. Qxh8 ...Qg6 but I wouldn't play that. I'd go for 2. Qxf6 ...Nxf6 3. Bg5 and white has a won game.
White has a more won game after ...Bh6.
Optimissed wrote:
It doesn't matter because it's a winning attack and I don't think you need to see the whole thing in your head before you play it. The sequence I saw was 1. Qxg7 ...Qf6 2. Bh6 ...Qxh6 3. Qxh8 ...Qg6 but I wouldn't play that. I'd go for 2. Qxf6 ...Nxf6 3. Bg5 and white has a won game.
Just curious why would you choose a significantly worse position?
Just curious, the thread title is nonsense on purpose, or was it an accident?
Pretty sure he meant to say "see". Idk how that becomes "are" instead but I guess if he's on a mobile device he might have fat fingered "aee" which autocorrects to "are".
Jackypaper824 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
It doesn't matter because it's a winning attack and I don't think you need to see the whole thing in your head before you play it. The sequence I saw was 1. Qxg7 ...Qf6 2. Bh6 ...Qxh6 3. Qxh8 ...Qg6 but I wouldn't play that. I'd go for 2. Qxf6 ...Nxf6 3. Bg5 and white has a won game.
Just curious why would you choose a significantly worse position?
I think both positions are won and swapping queens is easier to play.
Something like
QxQ ....NxQ
Bg5 .... Ng4 (Bd8 looks worse)
h3 ....Ne5
Nd5
looks fun to play as white. That's just looking at it in my head but white seems to have a pawn and a dominant position, and the queens are off.